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Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013 10:00 am

SANDPOINT — The wife of a Sandpoint man accused of possessing and sharing child pornography is facing a charge alleging bestiality.

Kimberly Lynn Horner is charged with committing an infamous crime against nature, a felony offense punishable by no less than five years in prison. Horner is further charged with possession of methamphetamine, marijuana and drug paraphernalia.

A preliminary hearing in the case is set for March 13 in Bonner County Magistrate Court. Horner is free on her own recognizance while the case is pending, court records indicate.

Video footage of Horner engaged in sex acts with a canine was discovered on a laptop computer that was seized by the North Idaho Sex Offender Task Force, according to a probable cause affidavit.

The task force raided Horner’s Oak Street home last November while investigating allegations that her husband, Jerry, offered clips of child pornography for download through an Internet file-sharing network.

Jerry Allan Horner was charged with six counts of sharing child pornography and six counts of possession of child porn, in addition to felony and misdemeanor drug charges.

A day-long preliminary hearing in Jerry Horner’s case was planned for this month, but the state moved on Tuesday for the child porn charges to be dismissed without prejudice, which allows them to be re-filed at a later date.

Special Prosecutor Josh Studor moved for the dismissal because additional review of scientific and forensic evidence is needed and can’t be complete in a timely manner. Moreover, the state may ask for Jerry Horner to be prosecuted in U.S. District court instead of state court, Bonner County Prosecutor Louis Marshall said on Thursday.

The felony and misdemeanor drug charges against Jerry Horner, 48, remain intact.

Kimberly Horner, also 48, was charged after computers and other digital devices were examined at the Intermountain West Regional Computer Forensic Lab in Salt Lake City, according to court documents.

Lab technicians discovered the 20-minute video, which was captured with a web camera and stored on a laptop which also held videos of child porn.

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  • Phauckspd posted at 2:04 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    Phauckspd Posts: 3

    Who are you to judge the life people live,
    Nobody's perfect, and they don't have to be!
    Before you start pointing fingers, make sure
    Your hands and your side of the street is
    perfect & clean. It's Religulous. religion+ridiculous=RELIGULOUS
    And your getting your facts from a more reliable source than The Daily Bee,

  • Luv83864 posted at 12:53 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    While I have respect for your opinion as stated above, I also see a fair amount of room for argument in some of those outlined points. Numbers 3-9 are basically the same argument in different terms, they piggy back off one and another. Men are capable of being as gentle as women, and I have meant some men who are much more in tune to emotional needs then some detached mothers I have meant. Often single mothers or fathers only have one parent households which creates the same dynamic and unbalance you are talking of. I agree it exists but people are capable of playing either role. Women are perfectly capable of disciplining, often with a firmer hand then a man. In my life I knew when to ask my mom for something vs my dad and vice versa. Usually there is always both roles of homemaker, and supporter in the household of all two parent households including gay households. It's became a lot more common for the mother to work and the father stay home with children in this economy. A lot of men benefit profoundly from having to take in what a mother does. They adjust and learn to meet the needs of the children and learn to be e primary caretaker.
    I am not saying being gay is right or wrong, I am only saying those arguments are very questionable. 2013 is not black and white like it was in 1950 our world is evolving. Times are changing. What was socially acceptable in 1950 is not the same as what is socially acceptable today. Whether for better or worse it is change. There are some standards that I wish were respected still and many others I am thankful are not acceptable anymore. The gray areas of life today are often questionable and we have to pick what's important. I could attack those arguments one or one and break them down but I'm not going to because you believe what you believe. I respect that. I don't even know what I believe except that people should have the right to be who they are. I don't feel the gay parade it in our faces. Its just perspective and seems that way because its bothersome to some people and not usually socially accepted. It's not unusual to see a man and women holding hands and/or kissing but it suddenly becomes attractive when its two women, the attention two women get is exactly what some girls are striving for. If its two men it puts them up in a very vulnerable position, its usually disgusting to others and seen as unacceptable. I have been taken back when I saw it, but I stopped looking and moved on.I ask anyone here to listen on YouTube to Ryan Macklemore "Same Love," think about the words.

  • Luv83864 posted at 12:33 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Red Dawn-Thank you for the compliment. I don't think I am a better person then anyone necessarily, I think we are capable of being loving individuals. If I could only find a pill to get people into their hearts more, what a wonderful world it would be. Since that is not possible i just have to do what I can by being true to myself. People tell me that I'm too nice, I say there is no such thing. Although along my journey I have had to learn to hold boundaries in order to protect myself from being taken advantage. Nice does not mean weak as some people make the mistake of assuming. One does not have to be mean to be strong neither. In fact it's merely the opposite. The boundaries with the foodbank aren't outlined anywhere and I guess that's a direct correlation between how public service and people's beliefs often clash in society. We are all gifted with the ability to use words to express ourselves. Words are the strongest form of communication and online we do not have tone, we do not have expressions, therefore we lose the ability to read one and another. I know for me if someone says something, my reaction varies based upon their tone most of the time. I know when I'm getting upset because I start to talk alot with my hands and my listening skills start to go out the door. Anyway I think your plenty smart enough to get my message. I get a lot of thought and reconsideration out of reading on this forum/blog whatever it is. I have a respect for anyone that's willing to share even if I might not agree. However I have low tolerance for any abuse of women and children. Have a good day.

  • leechstomper posted at 8:58 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    leechstomper Posts: 1542

    According to RD's autobiography, she has recently gained the ability to hear after growing up deaf. Good for her. Perhaps it would behoove her to now learn how to listen.

  • NewDawn posted at 9:38 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    Mr. Wallace - Remember: Math 7:6

    Any further discussions pertaining to this matter should be nullified since it is the POPE's and

    the Catholic church's turn to be villainously portrait by old Red. It must be so uplifting to Red's ego

    to be such a perfect individual! [innocent]

  • Todd Allen posted at 9:04 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Todd Allen Posts: 210

    @RD what the heck are you talking about? I asked why YOU brought the food bank into this due to your issues with Mr. Wallace (whom I do not know). I NEVER said this story did not happen and pointed out how sick it is. Get off your soapbox about being out in front for the poor, sick, gay, children, etc. Those whom are givers do not need to shout as loud as you do. Once again try a little humility it will take you a long way. I realize you are blind to facts and you avoid actually answering a question. Like how you know any of the posters are not victims of sexual abuse which you stated on your post March 4@8:30. Or why you chose to even bring up the food bank? Will you answer either one????

  • Perki posted at 9:00 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Perki Posts: 619

    I don't understand why reddawn thinks I was joking. I was as serious as I can be. But I guess she thinks all of those men that molested the little boys were straight. I am much more inclined to believe they are Gay.....since the proper word for them isn't PC.

  • L Wallace posted at 7:55 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    Since this has become a discussion about gay vs."straight" (hetrosexual) life style, maybe I should give my reasons for my stand for hetrosexual families. Consideration of the following points is what is behind my being for the traditional hetrosexual family.

    1. Hetrosexual family is the natural form of pro-creation to perpetuate the human race.

    2. Children should be conceived in committed love, not in a Petri dish.

    3. Children should have gender role models to keep from being gender confused.

    4. Men are realists or pragmatic, women are emotional, children need both.

    5. Children need both realism and emotional stability and role models of both.

    6. Women are home makers, men are husbands or literally house bands.

    7. Two home makers or two house bands leaves the family unbalanced.

    8. Women demonstrate softness and men demonstrate discipline, children need both.

    9. Double the softness or double the discipline guarantees disfuntion at home & in society.

    10. Family focus should be on the children and their healthy future not sexual life style.

    11. Family health, - AIDS is spread primarily by homosexual life style.

    12. Community, - many homosexuals need to parade in your face, hetrosexual families never do.

    13. For those who believe in God, it is taught in both old and new testaments. (Rom 1:18-31)

  • Luv83864 posted at 8:55 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    While I am glad to read every bit of the response, I now feel I jumped the gun and shouldn't have assumed that because someone is different, however that may be it might effect them accepting or receiving help they so desperately need. I am very familiar with the foodbank's achievements during my life. As I mentioned my grandmothers worked every minute they could helping their and at the soup kitchen at St Joseph's basement. I learned a lot there, most of all I learned empathy and not to judge. Although I am surely not perfect. I try to put myself in their shoes. My grandmother once took a family home from the church on the day before Thanksgiving. I was being a total brat in the car and saying it smelled like dirt and I was going to puke. All of sudden my grandma pulled the car over, pretty much pinched my arm till I got out and then gave me a lecture I will never forget. My grandma drove to JC Penney and bought their two girls dresses and then new clothes, she then had them to our Thanksgiving and got them a hotel room as long as she could. Low and behold I still talk to those girls 20 years later. I judged them by their situation and that was my biggest mistake. I should not judge you either.

  • reddawn posted at 8:48 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    reddawn Posts: 1805

    Todd, check your boy Perki and Wallace and the jokes around this story. And you all think it was the way to address this crime, give me a break. Get real, this story did happen , no jokes here, abuse of being gay, are you kidding me. I will hold my strength , Wallace forgets this town is full of givers, and I am tired of all of your abuse of this comment site of anyone who is not your religion. And the food bank is one of my passions to support, I happen to love my Gay friends, they are great parents, successful people, good people, and I will stand for them , just like I do the poor, the sick, the children, the abused, and as I said any person who comments a crime of abuse of any child or animal needs to go to jail. My motives are not out of line, your buddies here are, they are out of line, I am the only one who will stand up to that, and when the most gentle person on this board who is Luv speaks it with love hear it.She is alot better person than most of us.

  • Luv83864 posted at 8:43 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    I just retread what I wrote and it was stupid. Your right, if someone is desperate to feed themselves or their children they would walk in without hesitation and be very grateful. That wasn't something I thought out and I apologize. I have been fortunate enough to never be starving. I donate and will continue to do so. I don't expect anyone to agree with that statement. After thinning about it, it's not logical. I truly should have thought of Maslow's hierarchy of basic humans needs are the most important to our survival, unless we are altered by substance of course. Our most important need in life is too feed ourselves and loved ones. With all this being said I am beginning to see just how blessed we are.

  • reddawn posted at 8:31 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    reddawn Posts: 1805

    Wallace how short your memory is, I guess you forgot the Toyota Dealership last year. Again along with your followers here your all the worst of abuse. Newdawn your religion right now is looking for a new Pope, it might take some time, The New Pope cannot be appointed if he has anything to do with the cover up of abuse of children. It might take some time, so hold on it could be weeks to see what Priest is not behind the abuse of children or knowing of the cover up for 100s of years of abuse of Men who raped children. Wallace , many are reading this, many who support our needy, it is a good time to say goodbye, I hope you got the point. This story was a crime of child abuse and animal abuse, and you took it to a low, a fall from grace.Maybe you will think before you write your judgements about Gay people in the future and put them in a act of such a crime.Again I dont know your God, and never will, the only God I know is love,This is why our future is bright, love will become truth and so will Christ. I will Pray for all of us tonight to have wisdom before we speak. Next time I see you, I will be the one who looks you in the eyes with a gentle voice of peace because of your wife and for who she is. Respect is earned, I sure hope I can soon change my mind in you.

  • L Wallace posted at 7:17 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    Thanks NewDawn, I have been wondering just where I should exit this discussion. I would have been rent long ago if I didn't have on the armor listed in Ephesians 6:12-20 I wouldn't post my name if I couldn't "stand the heat in the kitchen".

    When untruths are stated about the food bank and its financing or operation, I have to answer or let false claims become wonderings in the minds of those who read these posts. For myself, I think my reputation for 20+ years of honest automotive repair is my witness and Alice's work at the food bank speak for themselves. I just support her in that endeavor.

    You are right in your quotation here, I hope Red & I can get back to our not responding to each other.

  • NewDawn posted at 4:27 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    Mr. Wallace - here is something that enters my mind and I share it with you.

    Math 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls

    before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you"

    These are Christ's teachings and admonishments.

  • L Wallace posted at 3:31 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    Just the facts please.

    Reddawn says, "You talk of the food bank of not getting tax money, yet as you say , grants come from Fema in which you have spoke down about, a government program, USDA commodities, is government, 20% is alot of government."

    Sorry Red, the USDA amount is not 20% of food bank funding it is only "20% percent of what it was 10-15years ago". Today, FEMA is about 1% the food bank total budget, including all $$ & donated food. Certainly not "a lot of government".

    Red says, "I am aware of how you are engaged, I recieve letters from Car Dealers from you attached to vote for the food bank and raise money for it."

    Sorry to disappoint you again Red, I have no known connection to a dealership or to any letters sent out by any dealership or car lot or repair shop. Obviously, you are not aware of how I am engaged, likely, you are mistakenly thinking I am someone else. However, I would like to know which dealerships so I could put in for my share of the profits! [wink]

    First, you tell me to stay out of the food bank "because I am behind the door to judge" and then you tell me I should volunteer. If I stay out you condemn my not volunteering and if I volunteer I am standing behind the door to judge. I hope you are more consistent with your spouse.

    You seem to be against abuse in this local news story. When I come out against abuse of the traditional hetrosexual family as the CAUSE in this news story you go ballistic. You hold your opinion but condemn others for a differing opinion even at the same time you want to be left alone to live your version of Christian life but you don't leave others alone. Do you see any double standard here?

    I would have to agree with you that there is some difference in our mis-understanding of "God". I am pleased that you do not have control of grace to tell who has fallen and who hasn't.

    How about we go back to our not responding to one another? I am willing to give it another try.

  • Todd Allen posted at 3:12 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Todd Allen Posts: 210

    @RD you brought the food bank into this and for what? If you have a personal vendetta against Mr. Wallace than take care of it outside of these blogs. All you have done is harm the food bank by bringing it up on a story about some very sick people. Your motives are way out of line.

  • Todd Allen posted at 2:12 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Todd Allen Posts: 210

    @Luv hunger and need override the opinion of someone. Try not eating for a while and I would bet anything you would take food where ever you could. You sound like a kind woman and make some valid points. I just don't agree with you regarding your statement, "If I were gay I would be thinking twice about going to the foodbank after some of Mr. Wallace's posts." Being truly hungry I think one would care less where or whom the food came from. The food bank does a wonderful job and it is a pleasure to be in a position to donate. I always say if you come from a place of gratitude your going in the right direction.

  • reddawn posted at 1:48 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    reddawn Posts: 1805

    Fact Wallace, I never say one bad thing about your wife. However many people who give to the food bank are gay, and are Democrats. You are married to Alice and seem to have disrespect for all she stands for. We here in Sandpoint happen to really like your wife, however if this is the only way to get attention by being a judge of others along with name calling it does effect peoples view. Many of us have spoken about your posts. First you say I am not with the food bank, but then you say only when I am asked. I am aware of how you are engaged, I recieve letters from Car Dealers from you attached to vote for the food bank and raise money for it. So we do know who you are. I have done everything I could to share with you with your words of judgement ,your God, your way of looking at things is not a good example for the food bank. You talk of the food bank of not getting tax money, yet as you say , grants come from Fema in which you have spoke down about, a government program, USDA commodities, is government, 20% is alot of government. The rest comes from our stores, and the local people,WE the local people who might not appreciate being put down. It is not about RS or Ds or race, religion,age, or who you love. I have friends who are Gay, wonderful loving friends who give to the food bank, those who dont believe in God the way you do. Read your comments and count how many times you down grade people, judge them. Be aware. You of all people who preach your god and maybe needs to walk the talk. and as far as the rest of your buddies who support you, I dont care what any of you think of me. I just care about the food bank and the poor and the old, I am what you call a liberal, working, liberal who gives to my food bank on money I work for and want to continue doing so along with many of us. But my husband does not work for a living for a non-profit food bank. And you are the judge behind the door, you are there , in and out as you call it. Or is it you need attention, maybe go give your time to the food bank, and stop being so critical of those who dont believe in your God. Maybe then you can send your energy with love for those who need it in a way we all need. I dont know your God, and I dont want to, in my book God is love, Christ is LOVE, and dont need to preach it, I am a Christian, just not by your standards, I truely care about the food bank. And I care about the story of a Man who used Children for his abuse, and his wife an abuser, all I said was I didny like any other use of abuse of Gay people and this story to be attached to this story. In my heart sexual abuse of anykind has nothing to do with being
    Gay, it was a low blow, the lowest and you call your self a Christian, it is a long blow, a fall from Grace and as far as I am concerned way out of line. Yet you didnyt see it, along with some of your followers. you didnt take responsibility, you justify, you attack, along with some other folks here. I only said something because I care about the food bank, get it, guess not. Your comments where out of line and you needed to know it, then when a gentle soul comes along you make an acuse, then attack me! Didnt hurt me, you hurt youself.[sad]

  • L Wallace posted at 1:11 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    Thanks Todd Allen, I reply for the sake of new comers to this web site who may not know Reddawn's history, and to defend the food bank. I have no animosity towards Red and wish her well. Thanks again. L.

  • L Wallace posted at 12:38 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    Luv, you will be pleased to know that I have no direct connection to the daily operation of the food bank, nor am I there more than in passing or to run an errand. I operate only in an advisory capacity and that only when asked. The food bank is operating financially in the black even with the added pressure from this recession. This is happening without government or taxpayer financing beyond the 501C3 non profit status, some USDA commodities, & sometimes small FEMA help. Overall, federal help is not more than about 20% of what it was 10-15 years ago. No property tax support, no levys, and no forced support.

    Much financing comes to the food bank from outside of Idaho in the form of grants. When Alice took over the food bank it was on the verge of $0 funds, not even enough for normal overhead. Were it not for the Spirit impressing folks and Alice's learning how to write those grants, the food bank would not be what it is today.

    Regarding your religious discussion, let me give you just a snippet of why I speak up.

    "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thoug givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul." There is more - See Ezekiel 3:17-21 Having read that then one must decide what iniquity and wickedness are to speak up against. The scripture best related to this blog discussion of sexual deviancy is Romans 1: 18-31

    So Luv, I am caught between keeping quiet (as you suggest) and being responsible, or speaking up and not being responsible. To Judge this I will leave in the Creator's Court and let Reddawn appear and make her charges against me there.

    All should remember that emotions, facial communication and etc. are not well transmitted in text form.

  • Todd Allen posted at 11:59 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Todd Allen Posts: 210

    Mr. Wallace you do not need to defend yourself on here. You have proven to be an honorable an intelligent poster. For RD to bring up the food bank is another of her MANY outrageous ramblings. RD is your polar opposite. RD your personal attacks on Mr. Wallace just show your LACK OF CHARACTER!!!! You may talk the talk but you do not walk the walk.

  • L Wallace posted at 11:45 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    What some are unable to distinguish is the difference between being against people and being against people's actions. I am not against people living whatever lifestyle they want. I challenge Reddawn to name a PERSON that I have attacked. Remember even God hates sin while loving the sinner.

    Here is my conviction, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, (people) but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, aganist spiritual wickedness in high places". Ephesians 6:12

    You will find me critical of Both political party's political debt policies, cultural ideas that harm the traditional hetrosexual two parent family, economic threats to this Republic, and ideas about many things even to infrastructure.

    Having opinions about policies, culture, and etc., does not attack or condemn people with differing opinions. In fact I seem to be able to communicate fairly well with others of differing opinions on politics, local elections, the bypass, and a host of other issues. Red seems to be the exception in being offended.

    People like Reddawn seem to be drawn into condemnation from others holding opinions that differ with hers. For example, those who smoke and drink sometimes feel condemned if you do not participate in their activity while in their presence. Food bank qualifications have nothing to do with my opinion.

    I have tried to not engage Red in conversation but she cannot keep from comments and I admit that I have not totally ignored her. Now Red wants to go back to trying to punish Alice for her connection to my having an opinion. More clearly stated, Red is trying to leverage our connection to the food bank against us, trying to force us into silence.

    This is the liberal attack against freedom and particularily freedom of speech. This is Chicago style politics. I don't think she will be successful this time, she has had time to be demonstrate her methods of reasoning.

  • reddawn posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    reddawn Posts: 1805

    @Luv, The food bank has many people who are creators of ideas, with great input, she has a right hand , and many hands who are a team that has created where the food bank has gone today. Please dont be in Fear,A great team surrounds her, along with the people of Bonner County.

  • Perki posted at 9:47 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Perki Posts: 619

    reddawn and Queenie must be in a contest to see who can rant the most!

  • Luv83864 posted at 9:45 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Alice runs the foodbank not Mr Wallace. We have been through this debate before and I believe you guys reached some kind of agreement? I feel that Mr Wallace has been hypocritical in his position at times but we all are at times. God doesn't want us to judge and be condenscending to others. To me, being unkind and using words to bash people for their beliefs is just as sinful as any other sin. Obviously there are different levels of sins when comapring sins wich as rape, overindulgence in alcohol, using drugs and being mean to others. However they are all sins. We teachbour children to be nice, not call names and to not to bully. We as adults should play kind with one another including our choice of words in verbal or written attcks. we should be an excellent example for our children and do the best we can, God does not ask us to rip one and another for their sexual orientation or beliefs. It's not anyones job, except Gods, to preach to another about what the messages are. Each to their own and they will get the message they need to hear it and it will the right time.
    It would be nice to know the supporters of the foodbank were open hearted to all, even people whom are in recovering drug addicts, alocholoics, gay, transvestite or whatever color thier skin is. If I were gay, I would be thinking twice about going to the foodbank after reading some posts by Mr. Wallce. Hopefully Mr. Wallace has a respect for boundaries and when it's appropriate to share his beliefs and when it is not like at the foodbank. I feel his representation is unfair to to foodbank on this forum but it is his right, it is Mr Wallace writing not Alice. I don't know Mr. Wallace's role at the foodbank or if he even has one. What I do know is Alice does and outstanding job of running he foodbank, it would take someone a lot of effort and work to be able to do what she does. I have been fearing what will happen to the foodbank when she retires. My grandmother was someone who volunteered at the foodbank for nearly 20 years. She took me there as a child, I've seen it come such a long ways. Alice doesn't deserve her husbands backlash. She is her own person.

  • NewDawn posted at 8:31 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    RD, get off your cardboard soap box before you fall off and break a leg or injure your head even more!

    Who died and left you Judge and Jury over the L.Wallace family? Kindly leave God out of all your rantings.

    He has got enough to do without you adding your incomprehensible mutterings.

  • reddawn posted at 10:08 pm on Wed, Mar 6, 2013.

    reddawn Posts: 1805

    After months of reading the posts of Wallace, Maybe it is time for the Wallace family to retire from representing the food bank. This is one place that no matter who you are, what race, religion, or who you love, their needs to be a family who doesn't have such a judgment, on anyone who is a Democrat or a Republican, or who believes in God the way they believe. Wallace has shown such condemnation for so many people I feel the Wallace family is no longer up to help those in need without criticizing. Anyone who is not up to his standards, and who believes his God is the only true God. Yet he tells Cowboy to share his real name, yet he does not ask the same for his followers. Wallace you have fallen from grace. Besides the food bank was started by your mother in law, I have a hard time that your wife doesn't ask you to please stop. You are a bad example of an operation of asking folks to support our folks in need have a Man who stands behind the door in judgment.

  • L Wallace posted at 3:53 pm on Wed, Mar 6, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    CowboyPhD, what does homosexuality have to do with beastiality? Your post makes my case that the two may be related in terms of discussion and future legislative actions. If multiple cultures are to co-exist, one will grow stronger and the other will grow weaker. We either protect the two parent hetro-sexual family to continue society or we define any relationship between humans, animals and birds as "marriage" and try to sort out how to apply it.

    I don't fear homosexuals, transgenderists, or beastialiasts, I fear what those cultures are doing to the traditional hetrosexual family culture and the resulting society morality. This fear is not irrational when one considers the history of the destruction of the hetrosexual family. Multiple cultures do not bring strength to society they divide society - just as has happened in the U.S. over the past several decades.

    If you are to "broaden my perspective, and bring light to the darkness of ignorance", consider starting with listing your real name. What does "CowboyPhD" stand for? I hope the "P" doesn't stand for phony. Anyway, let's discuss it in public so that others can benefit? I will not let you hide behind a moniker name, take off your mask.

  • CowboyPhD posted at 1:02 pm on Wed, Mar 6, 2013.

    CowboyPhD Posts: 4

    Dear Mr. Wallace,

    While the state of Idaho does not have "laws against homosexuality", it does not treat it's LGBT citizens equitably. Idaho does not provide protection against discrimination in many areas of employment, housing discrimination, and marriage equality.

    You acknowledge not being a "prophet," but your prediction of "future political discussions" seems to be founded on an irrational fear of homosexuals. The word we use to describe this irrational fear of homosexuals is homophobia.

    From your writing, I assume you are unaware of the many LGBT families, neighbors, friends, and supporters in our area. There is strength in the diversity of our community. I would welcome an opportunity to broaden your perspective and bring light to the darkness of ignorance.

  • Luv83864 posted at 7:38 am on Wed, Mar 6, 2013.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Even if there is a law that exists in Idaho, it isn't enforced. The same old question raises, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. We can not control it. Why should we care if someone is gay? Someone who wants to marry their pet should be committed in a mental hospital. Big difference, humans can speak for theirselves, a pet is at the mercy of its owner. By owning a pet, we agree to treat them as they deserve which is kindly. Think about what these people may do to children, if they do this to their pets? Yeah it's disgusting and sick to think about. Pets can not say yes, I love this person, I want to marry or do whatever they do. They are 100% victims. There is a probably a reason this was done, maybe money or drugs? Either way, someone should be seeking a psychological evaluation. Pets can not defend or not speak for theirselves, pets want to please their owners. How would they know it was wrong? Pets don't have the moral compass we do. They don't deserve to be raped, married or even owned but the kind of person who would want to use them for anything else besides a pet companion. And I say pet companion and mean just that. If its on video, it probably wasn't the first time it happened. Where is the dog? Hopefully taken away. They should be banned from owning animals and being around children, charged with animal cruelty and case closed.

  • L Wallace posted at 10:41 pm on Tue, Mar 5, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    RD, I wasn't making a joke, I was pointing up the ridiculousness of beastiality. I have already heard of some wanting to marry their pets in pro and con discussions in the media. I didn't come up with the idea. Where have you seen my writings bragging about being Christian? I believe biblical theology but I would not claim to be any better at practicing it than the Apostle Paul who said he was "the chief of sinners". Since you think I "am not" Christian, stop calling me that.

    I believe the bible teaches being a Christian is about being forgiven and being able to forgive. I have experienced both. I recommend it to you so you don't have to hold such hatred in your heart to express when you meet us on the street. If you have a good handle on Christianity and are practicing it as it should be practiced, then pray for those of us who are not as mature as you. "Let (s)he who is without sin cast the first stone".

    I think Idaho still has laws against homosexuality and marijuana, are these O.K. in your vision of the ideal American moral life? I am neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet but I predict that this pet marrying idea will be in future political discussions following homosexuality.

  • Todd Allen posted at 12:13 pm on Tue, Mar 5, 2013.

    Todd Allen Posts: 210

    @RD how do you know any of the posters have not experienced or have been the victim of any of the above crimes? How is it a lack of humility? If there was a law against horrendous grammar and arrogance you would be put away for life. You have no knowledge of what people have been through, there are countless victims of sexual abuse. Your statement is beyond ridiculous!!!

  • reddawn posted at 8:30 pm on Mon, Mar 4, 2013.

    reddawn Posts: 1805

    Just within the last two years Idaho passed a law that this sick act of abuse was and is against Idaho law.
    This kind of abuse of children by her husband and the act of abuse to an animal is SO sick I dont find even a thought ,of a joke or using Gay people in any way as a way to compare this crime. You all have fallen to the lowest point of pure disgrace. Wallace next time I see you it is going to take everything I have not to tell you what a poor excuse of a so called Christian you are. You in my book am not and as far as the rest of you and your jokes and lack of any human qualities what so ever have gone to the bottom of the barrel.This is not about politics, it is about a story in our own back yard of a sick women and man who in my mind need to be in jail now . This lowest of the low male needs to go to jail for no less than twenty years, the women no less than five years and all personal property to be sold and given to the families of the children, and the jail they will reside in for the next several years. And make it national news. Just like it has with the Catholic Church or any so called religion, or human being.Considering none of you have experienced such crimes your lack of humility makes me sick.

  • ski2work posted at 11:21 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    ski2work Posts: 629

    Well played Mike, well played, but the list is far more extensive.

  • L Wallace posted at 9:26 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    L Wallace Posts: 1390

    How long before some want to marry their pets? Would they have co-habitation contracts or would they also be granted the status of marriage for the benefits? Aren't pets part of the "family"?Regarding "Crimes against nature", what would the age of consent be?

    Yes, lose sight of the Creator God and there are no depths to the levels of perversion, including sexual perversion. Rom 1: 18-31

  • Perki posted at 6:44 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    Perki Posts: 619

    "Crimes against nature" I always thought thats what homosexuality was. Isn't this the next step after gay marriage?

  • Corey Greve posted at 3:54 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    Corey Greve Posts: 934

    Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your outlook) I moved to Idaho just after all of that went down. I do enjoy a good round of local lore and self-deprecating humor from time to time.

  • Todd Allen posted at 2:17 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    Todd Allen Posts: 210

    @mfs why am I not surprised Jerry Hornrer is a friend of Sugar Shane. And New Dawn I would taken everything Golf25 says with a grain of salt. Like all the typical left wingers he never answered my question as to him making a "quip" about you being a bible thumper when he never referred to you.

  • mike from sagle posted at 1:31 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    a lefty amuses himself: "I'm amused that there was so little interest in this story from the far right"

    I am amazed there are people shallow and immature enough to believe that sexual perversion is somehow political, but since junior put it on the table......

    THE (Democrat) SENATE APPROVES BILL THAT LEGALIZES SODOMY AND BEASTIALITY in U.S. Military http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senate-approves-bill-legalizes-sodomy-and-bestiality-us-military

    Jeffrey P Rosato, aide to Sen Barbara Boxer (D-Calif), was arrested for distributing and receiving child pornography. The FBI says he distributed more then 600 files of graphic images and movies of child pornography. A search of his home found more movies and photos. Just last month another former Democrat CA aide was sent to prison for 3 years for child pornography

    ACLU exec busted for child porn- Chapter president accused of downloading graphic assault videos.

    In April 1978, Richmond was arrested in Washington for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. Richmond apologized for his actions, conceding he "made bad judgments involving my private life." In spite of a Democratic primary opponent's attempts to cash in on the headlines, Richmond easily won renomination and reelection. But his career came to an end four years later when, after pleading guilty to possession of marijuana and tax evasion - and amid allegations that he had his staff procure cocaine for him -- he resigned his seat.

    REP. JOHN HINSON (D-Miss.):
    On Aug. 8, 1980, during his first reelection bid, Hinson stunned everyone by announcing that in 1976 he had been accused of committing an obscene act at a gay haunt in Virginia. Hinson, married and a strong conservative, added that in 1977 he had survived a fire in a gay D.C. movie theater. He was making the disclosure, he said, because he needed to clear his conscience. But he denied he was a homosexual and refused GOP demands that he resign. Hinson won reelection in a three-way race, with 39 percent of the vote. But three months later, he was arrested on charges of attempted oral sodomy in the restroom of a House office building. He resigned his seat on April 13, 1981.

    On Oct. 3, 1980, Bauman, a leading "pro-family" conservative, pleaded innocent to a charge that he committed oral sodomy on a teenage boy in Washington. Married and the father of four, Bauman conceded that he had been an alcoholic but had been seeking treatment. The news came as a shock to voters of the rural, conservative district, and he lost to a Democrat in November.

    REP. DAN CRANE (R-Ill.) and REP. GERRY STUDDS (D-Mass.):
    The House ethics committee on July 14, 1983, announced that Crane and Studds had sexual relationships with teenage congressional pages -- Crane with a 17-year-old female in 1980, Studds with a 17-year-old male in 1973. Both admitted the charges that same day, and Studds acknowledged he was gay. The committee voted to reprimand the two, but a back-bench Georgia Republican named Newt Gingrich argued that they should be expelled. The full House voted on July 20 instead to censure the two, the first time that ever happened for sexual misconduct. Crane, married and the father of six, was tearful in his apology to the House, while Studds refused to apologize. Crane's conservative district voted him out in 1984, while the voters in Studds's more liberal district were more forgiving. Studds won reelection in 1984 with 56 percent of the vote, and continued to win until he retired in 1996.

    SEN. BROCK ADAMS (D-Wash.):
    On Sept. 27, 1988, Seattle newspapers reported that Kari Tupper, the daughter of Adams's longtime friends, filed a complaint against the Washington Democrat in July of 1987, charging sexual assault. She claimed she went to Adams's house in March 1987 to get him to end a pattern of harassment, but that he drugged her and assaulted her. Adams denied any sexual assault, saying they only talked about her employment opportunities. Adams continued raising campaign funds and declared for a second term in February of 1992. But two weeks later the Seattle Times reported that eight other women were accusing Adams of sexual molestation over the past 20 years, describing a history of drugging and subsequent rape. Later that day, while still proclaiming his innocence, Adams ended his campaign.

    REP. BARNEY FRANK (D-Mass.):
    In response to a story in the Aug. 25, 1989, Washington Times, Frank confirmed that he hired Steve Gobie, a male prostitute, in 1985 to live with and work for him in his D.C. apartment. But Frank, who is gay, said he fired Gobie in 1987 when he learned he was using the apartment to run a prostitution service. The Boston Globe, among others, called on Frank to resign, but he refused. On July 19, 1990, the ethics committee recommended Frank be reprimanded because he "reflected discredit upon the House" by using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie's parking tickets. Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed; instead the House voted 408-18 to reprimand him. The fury in Washington was not shared in Frank's district, where he won reelection in 1990 with 66 percent of the vote, and has won by larger margins ever since.

    Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October

  • leechstomper posted at 11:02 am on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    leechstomper Posts: 1542

    I thought about that the second I pushed the button. We are so ingrained with the internet that it is hard to remember times without it. I do know that they advertised nationally. Upon further reflection, I seem to remember that they advertised in magazines and sent out samplers to prospective customers from which they accepted orders for made to order porn.

    What sticks in memory most is that they used to sell eggs to the public. The story broke on Friday and by Monday, they had a sign on the front of their property ( near the hulk of their incinerated boat that the deputies allowed to catch fire while completing the seach warrant) basically stating: "Chickens are gone, quit calling".

    I seem to recall that it was the same summer when the great Cloths Line Panty Thief scare forced the owners of silken undergarments to higher levels of vigilence .It was a good year for the local community's self depricating humor.

  • Corey Greve posted at 10:33 am on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    Corey Greve Posts: 934

    Leech, I am fairly certain that the internet did not exist during the days of the Outdoor CONNECTION scandal.

  • Old Cop posted at 8:35 am on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    What do we do with the Doggie if we find out he liked it?

  • LocalYokel posted at 9:35 pm on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    LocalYokel Posts: 16

    Leechstomper, you're memory is not that great. It was the Outdoor Connection not Outdoor Experience.

  • leechstomper posted at 3:01 pm on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    leechstomper Posts: 1542

    I was chuckling so hard my sausage fingers found the wrong keys. It should read: To get away from the Outdoor Experience.

  • leechstomper posted at 2:58 pm on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    leechstomper Posts: 1542

    Posters here are displaying either their lack of memory or lack of tenure in the area. I offer up for your consideration "The Great Outdoor Experience Scandal". It was good for months of merryment. It had all of the makings of good story telling: prominent citizens, internet, local businesses, animals AND law enforcement inneptitude (complete with fire trucks).

    Question: Why did the chicken cross the road?
    Answer: To get away from the Oytdoor Exterience !

    Hyuck! Hyuck! har, har. It still makes my ribs hurt when recalled.

  • NewDawn posted at 1:08 pm on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    Golf - While eating cereal and berries, he or she should concentrate on properly
    stuffing his or her face instead of bashing the so called "far right". Since the law will
    be taking care of this horrendous. obnoxious and perverted individual, there really
    is nothing for us to do but PITY THE POOR DOG !!!

    Golf - what has Christianity to do with this? You're way out in left field!!

  • Luv83864 posted at 3:34 pm on Fri, Mar 1, 2013.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Total animal abuse... And sick in the mind. Disgusting and sad situation.