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Posted: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 10:00 am

As the election looms, there is an interesting discussion going on in academic circles about the impact of race on the outcome.

As in 2008, one candidate is white and the other is black. We know that in 2008 an overwhelming majority of blacks voted for Barack Obama. We also know that whites supported John McCain by a 12-point margin.

Many thought that the election of a black president was a sign of a decline in racial animus in this country. It was often referred to as the threshold to a post-racial America. But was it?

A 2010 study by Michael Tesler and David Sears of UCLA showed that very little changed as result of Obama’s election. Racial resentment affected his campaign, election and evaluations of his presidency and his policies.

That study is reinforced by a second, more recent study by Seth Stephens-Davidowitz of Harvard. He took a unique approach, using data about racially influenced Internet searches, to show that racial animus costs Barack Obama 3 to 5 percentage points of the national popular vote. That racial bias gives the Republican candidate a substantial advantage in the election and creates a difficult hurdle in job approval polling.

The studies I cite can be found at:

http://mst.michaeltesler.com/uploads/sample_4.pdf

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~sstephen/papers/RacialAnimusAndVotingSethStephens Davidowitz.pdf

Although it’s unfortunate that racial bias exists in America, it is encouraging to see that it’s as small as these studies suggest. Seems we’re making progress.

BOB WYNHAUSEN

Sandpoint

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103 comments:

  • reddawn posted at 8:15 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1670

    Look up the Tea Party , now this is hate folks. And watch the news video along with it in Ohio. Maddow: Tea Party Group will use Whites to question black voters. This is the Tea party, I call the KKK. I still have hope that Republicans see they let the Devil in the door. And push back.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 2:03 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    Well Bob that makes us friends in the end? [beam]

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:39 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    Lloyd, anyone who really understands the difference between a liberal and a conservative is a liberal.

     
  • Timmie posted at 12:37 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "No Bob, I mean able to reason and understand the differences (between liberal & conservative) and able to articulate in understandable language that which they believe without parroting some highly respected guru. "

    You're kidding right ? Thanks for the laugh.

     
  • Area Man posted at 10:04 am on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    There is no argument that the Democratic party before Nixon was a holdover from Reconstruction. People running under the party of Lincoln were not likely to get elected at all, so the D brand made sense. As a populist party, it certainly made no economic sense for Southerners to vote for the party of Northern industry, whatever its social leanings. But you are convenienly omitting the fact that Tricky Dick specifically and consicously plotted the movement to coopt anti-union and anti-integration Southerners to the R column in his well documented "Southern strategy", which Reagan completed in '80. It meant the South has been a hard place for progressives to work in coalition, but it was certainly a welcome moral purification for the Democratic party as a whole. Now the retrogressives don't need white robes to be visible at night, we can just see the yard signs with the elephants on them.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 12:36 am on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    Good post Old Cop. I didn't remember all that, but you as a policeman would remember these happenings better than those of us who heard day after day of news reports till it got to be too normal.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 12:34 am on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    No Bob, I mean able to reason and understand the differences (between liberal & conservative) and able to articulate in understandable language that which they believe without parroting some highly respected guru.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 12:23 pm on Sun, Sep 9, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    I don't know, Lloyd. By "well grounded conservatives" do you sclerotic?

     
  • Old Cop posted at 10:22 am on Sun, Sep 9, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    The Black Panthers did much more than legally carry shotguns. Look back to the sixties with Huey Newton, Eldridge Cleaver, Bobby Seales etc. Over a six year period 24 Black Panthers were killed in gun fights with the police. Only a short handful of officers were wounded or killed in those shootouts. The Panthers would call in a false alarm and then ambush the responding officers. They had all the advantages of time, location and numbers but still came up losing their deliberate encounters. This I remember very well, I was there

     
  • L Wallace posted at 9:28 pm on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    The challenge in discussions is to disagree without being disagreeable. Find the truth and present it in a way that those reading the discussion can see who has the truth of the disputation.

    Conservatives are not going to convince grounded liberals and liberals are not going to convince well grounded conservatives. These discussions are for those with a mind open enough to use reason to come to their conclusion. Often the person convinced is one who reads but does not participate.

    Remember, the person you convince may be part of the deciding vote in a swing state.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 4:03 pm on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    Steve, you have to pay attention. Lloyd and I were discussing racism in the South. Those other outfits are located outside the South.

    The Beer Summit was caused by an outraged black man being hassled by an over zealous cop. Wouldn’t you be just a little upset being challenged in your own house?

    As for Trayvon Martin, there will be trial that will determine who is right. Martin is dead and Zimmerman is alive. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car as instructed by the authorities and none of this would have happened. He has only himself to blame regardless of his ethnicity.

     
  • Area Man posted at 10:10 am on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    I think this is a false equalence. When did the Nation of Islam drag people from their homes and hang them from telephone poles because of their race? The Black Panthers most famous action was marching through the streets carrying legally obtained and carried shotguns through the streets. This at a time when violent terrorism and harassment at the hands of their fellow Americans was rampant and unpunished by a complicit police force. Racist hate groups, ethinic separatists, etc. are all evil in my opinion. But there is no equivalence between advocates of equal treatment before the law and the ones seeking domination over others by violent means.

     
  • Area Man posted at 10:00 am on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    I think they were more responsible for his relocation than "demise".

     
  • Steve Hatcher posted at 8:58 am on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 2474

    Bob needs to be more balanced. On the flip side there's Nation of Islam, New Black Panther Party, United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, Tribu Ka, and Bobo Shanti. How about La Raza?

    What were the causes of the infamous Beer Summit? Why did Obama and other black leaders jump on the Trayvon Martin bandwagon, and making it a black/white thing? (George Zimmerman considers himself Hispanic, and Spanish is his first language.)

    Bob makes a great point about racism, but it is much deeper than many of us realize, and picking on the South while omitting all that surrounds us is simply inadequate.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:47 am on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    Boys, you have to look at the question. I was responding to Lloyd specifically about racism in the South. Political party was not part of the mix. But, racist Democrats are an even worse problem for the President because he needs Democratic votes. However, the Solid South is still very red with little hope for a Democratic candidate. The major exception being Florida.

    But the South still hosts racist organizations like the KKK, The League of the South, and the National Alliance. As counter to them, the South is also the home of the Southern Poverty Law Center that fights the good fight against racism. They, of course, were responsible for the demise of Richard Butler.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 4:32 am on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    @ Lloyd:
    Notice Bobby isn't naming Republican racists knowing we can cram 'em down his throat. His recourse is is as always to blather more of his bologna. We know Duke as a nonentity just like Bobby. Discoursing at length in a pompous or boastful manner but not accomplishing anything is the classic definition of a bloviator. Duke and Bobby share the same pair of shoes.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 11:02 pm on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    In reply to Bob W. about David Duke. Bob google David Duke and read the Wikipedia. Duke ran as a Democrat before he ran as a R. Duke was a KKK grand wizard & the politics was more in line with Democrat Senator Byrd another KKK member.

    In any case Duke just talked and ran unsuccessfully in elections. I cannot find anywhere that he set up whites only bathrooms, restaurants, schools, fountains, movie theatres, buss seats or any other actual, physical form of racism.

    Free speech allows even Duke to spout his crap but only actions prove that racism exists in physical reality. Duke could not & did not inflict his racism, he can only try to incite others to help. I cannot find where he has been successful.

    Next guy please. I am still waiting for some evidence of the physical racism you mentioned in your previous post and said was still going on.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 5:17 pm on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    OldMan, are you denying that Duke is a member of the KKK, he doesn’t. Robert Byrd is dead, as is Teddy Kennedy. You might want to let those dead horses get on with it. And, can you explain the distinction between pro-white and anti-black, especially when applying that term to a known racist and a man who aspired to hold offices where he had to represent all constituents, not just the whites or the empty chairs. By the way, Duke also claims the KKK is pro-Christian. The only thing I can see that's Christian about them is their burning crosses.

    What kind of hole are you talking about, the one George Bush put us in? Millions more people than supported OJ voted for Bush and appear ready to make that same mistake by voting for Romney. Now there’s a hole, dig yourself out of that. For a guy who knows holes as well as you do, I’m surprised at such a narrow perspective.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 4:16 pm on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    You start at the bottom of a deep hole Wyndi.
    Maybe you can get Timmie or Lakeviewer to help you. There's reddawn and Buddha also. Try consulting the BCHRTF or the Southern Poverty Law Center. Remember you've got to get out from under 13 million black racists that still think OJ Simpson was innocent. A halfway smart man would know to stop digging but do you?

     
  • Old Cop posted at 4:03 pm on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    David Duke is certainly opinionated but in his defense he has been more pro white than anti anything. At any rate he has always been an inconsequential figure. It seems to me he only served one term in the Louisiana legislature before those racist Louisiana voters did him like we going to do to Obama. I believe a NAAWP without a David Duke would be a useful tool to counter the NAACP propaganda. Now if David were as important a national figure as old Robert Byrd it would be different. Byrd exemplified Racism but then he was a Democrat so he doesn't count. Didn't Robert serve something like 57 years in congress. David Duke is a failure in life but you Dems canonized Byrd in death. You will have to do much better picking racists in Republican ranks to prove your point Bobby. For any that you name we can name a much more deserving Democrat. Name some more Wyndi. Let's have at it.......

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 3:49 pm on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903


    Tell me, Leech, what has Romney specifically told us about his public policy ideas? We know Obama is applying policies similar to his strong supporter, Bill Clinton. We know how well Clinton governed. On the other hand, it sounds as if Romney wants to return to Bush’s policies. We know how well that worked.

    So naturally it begs the questions, do you want more results like Bush gave us, have you forgotten what Bush did, are you a masochist and just want the pain or ………………………..?

     
  • leechstomper posted at 12:51 pm on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    leechstomper Posts: 1403

    You see, Bob, you were hoping for a vague non-answer like you give. I stated conciseley a reason to vote for the R ticket. The unknown result within a known set of parameters that Romney offers is far more preferrable than the completely known results and stated goals of Obama. Nothing irrational there.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:44 am on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    You see, Leech, that is not exactly the kind of RATIONAL answer I was hoping for. So, what you’re saying is that you don’t have any idea what he will do and you don’t care. I understand why you’re a Republican voter.

    Mikey, record of success? Like what? He never talks about his work as a governor, which is his primary experience for his candidacy. What did he do in Mass. besides pass a good health care bill with a mandate?

    Lloyd, let’s start with David Duke. There’s plenty more, but I have to go.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 10:58 am on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    Mke from Sagle, keep up the posts like 11:55 pm Thur. and 9:40 am today. These are the kinds of things that will determine the outcome of the election.

    Bob W. your posts are good too. Good softballs to hit out of the park with the "bat" truth. Lot of homeruns being hit lately. [beam]

    Do you need some cheering up on election night or will it be more needed the "morning after"?

     
  • L Wallace posted at 10:51 am on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    Bob W. posted this @ 11:40am Thurs.
    "Lloyd, the one thing that didn’t change in the South with the change in parties—they are, and always have been, primarily conservatives. So while the party label changed from D to R, the political philosophy remains the same—conservative. Oh, and by the way, much of the racism remains."

    O.K. Bob give us some actual evidence that "much of the racism remains" in the south or anywhere in the U.S. I am speaking of white on black racism, we already know that there is black on white racism, demonstrated in blacks being 90+% for one of their race, well he is half black.

    Also, I would like some actual evidence that conservatives are racist, evidence,not just talk.

    Thanks Leechstomper, I didn't remember (or currently) know that MLK was a Repub. Good post you had at 7:51 this am.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:40 am on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    my vote for Romney is due to his record of success and the fact that our current president has failed to deliver on his promises. Time to give someone else a try.

     
  • leechstomper posted at 7:51 am on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    leechstomper Posts: 1403

    Lloyd: small factual correction to your 1:20 post. MLK was actually a Republican. A fact that liberals try to sweep under the rug.

    Bob: the main reason to vote for R&R is: THEY ARE NOT OBAMA.

    There is nothing wrong with being the party of NO when the other party is out of control. Just as there is nothing wrong with being a parent and saying no to your children when they wish to partake in activities that are harmful to themselves and those around them, someone has to be the adult. You receive a lot of grief but you are doing the right thing. I am perfectly content with the Congress repeating the tiresome mantra of NO until the other side stops the endless parade of asinine, pie in the sky, unworkable proposals.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:16 am on Fri, Sep 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    So, Mikey, what have R&R actually done? Why should we want them to lead the country?

    Considering that they are Rs, what in their history recommends we vote for them? Is it the Bush record? Is it the Reagan record, which is 30 years old?

    You have a list of failures for Obama, you must be some rational basis for supporting his opponent. What is it?

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:55 pm on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    $5 trillion more in debt.
    47 million people on public assistance.
    23 million people out of work.
    first U.S. credit downgrade in history.
    record unemployment.
    record debt.
    record deficits.
    and the Romney Ryan ticket is supposedly failing. I see.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 3:41 pm on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903


    If the Ds are committing faux pas’ I hope they don’t stop.

    What do you call what the Rs are doing with the R & R ticket? Most will call it failing.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 1:22 pm on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    I understand you don't have any balloons to drop in the hall tonight Bobby. I just don't understand how the Democrats can commit so many faux pas. I think Biden is to blame

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 1:18 pm on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    Sarge, Michelle’s “fairy tale” sent a lot of people to bed with big smiles on their faces. Even some conservative commentators have written glowingly about it. And how about the Big Dog? We've got ours, I didn't see yours in Tampa. Did he get shot in the face?

    Darth, the KKK is a racist organization. Today, and today is what we should be focusing on, it is a conservative, mostly Republican leaning, organization. Remember David Duke? But I see you already know all that. You apparently have the manual.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 1:14 pm on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    You might get a couple bones to rattle Bobby but you can't find a skeleton in my closet. Even my numerous old girlfriends have only pleasant memories of me. No peccata mortalia just venial stuff which I do regret. I have not always been sensitive to viewpoints far different than mine. Viewpoints I will never share but now consider valid ones. Knowing what I know now I would have handled them differently.
    An example: I once ran out onto a busy blvd to grab up a little three year old black girl that was very lucky that she hadn't been ran over. She was lost and scared to death. A warm body hugging and comforting her, a kleenex and a stick of spearmint gum soon allayed her fears. An older black man approached me and offered to take the girl. Of course I asked if he were a relative and he said No, he didn't who she was.
    My response; Hey Buddy, this little girl is safe with me, probably the safest place she has ever been in her life. I don't know you, she doesn't know you. You might be a pervert for all I know. Now get the hell out of here. Meanwhile I knew the girl couldn't have come from too far away so I carried her up and down the street hoping she would recognize her home and momma spotted us.
    Now I'm aware that black guy was almost certainly the equivalent of a white redneck that sincerely hated seeing a male negro holding a little white girl. I should have explained that I couldn't take a chance on a stranger. If I took that chance and he absconded with her the city and I both would be in deep doggie doo doo. You know much like the Democrats are today. I wasn't as understanding then as I am now.

     
  • Darth Bunny posted at 12:35 pm on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Darth Bunny Posts: 373

    Is this Wonderland? I thought the KKK was a Democrat organization. Bob W. says racism still exists.
    Is that true? If so, why? I posed the question to my evil minions and they explained the “New Century Foundation” studies Federal crime reports, and found significant differences in crime ratio between races, verified by the FBI’s National Crime Victimization Survey, and The Department of Justice’s Uniform Crime Reports, FBI Communication’s Division. They state emphatically that the Judicial System is not biased against minorities.

    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

    Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.

    Hispanics commit three times more violent crimes than whites, but the statistics are nebulous because sometimes they are classified as white, so it could be far higher.

    The best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the % of the population that is black and Hispanic.

    Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.

     
  • opns_sergeant posted at 11:51 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    opns_sergeant Posts: 297

    Bob, just search "Michell's fairy tale" that will bring up a bunch of articles. You can try Baltimoresun.com and gather.com/viewArticle.action. I'm sure you've already checked fact check but you are being cute trying to imply that I made it up.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:40 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    Lloyd, the one thing that didn’t change in the South with the change in parties—they are, and always have been, primarily conservatives. So while the party label changed from D to R, the political philosophy remains the same—conservative. Oh, and by the way, much of the racism remains.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    O.K. Bob, thanks for admitting the truth. I just will not let anyone hang historical racism, practiced by the Dems for most of a hundred years, around the necks of the Rs who have yet to demonstrate such racism.

    Now we know who the real racists were during Bob's travels there. Bob had insinuated in a previous post that the racism he saw was somehow the fault of, or connected to, the Rs when it was actually the liberal D party he is now so proud of.

    Sure some Ds (Kennedy, MLK & others) made the moves against that racism that led to the political loss of the South but I don't see any of the racism as practiced by the Democrats there today.

    Your letter turns out to be a subtle way to play the race card. But this "head in the sand" can still chase down a rat story.

    Reddawn was the one who said I "had my head in the sand", I agree with her because computer chips are made of sand aka silica - & Silicon Valley. It really means I have my head in comuters and she is right.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:26 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    OldMan, I sure hope people don’t disparage you after you’re gone, about something you did 40 years ago, for which you made up for the rest of your life. And don’t tell us there isn’t something back there that you’re not ashamed of. By the way, Obama has a few things to brag about.

    Steve, you and Lloyd ought to get together to define the kind of jobs you find acceptable for political purposes. Did you see the vote? I had no idea you were there, because, to my knowledge, it wasn’t televised. But if you think the Democratic National Convention last night was a fiasco, you must have missed the RNC convention. Admittedly it wasn’t a fiasco, it was just a moribund snorefest with a lackluster candidate. Good luck getting him elected.

    Very good Bruce. You show that even a Republican can appreciate a master politician. In typical Clinton fashion he ran over his allotted time—by nearly 30 minutes. He did that by extemporaneously wandering off of his written remarks. And the broadcast networks stayed with him to the end. It was an amazing and exhilarating performance.

    By the way, Mikey, your boy Krauthammer panned Clinton’s speech. Talk about hubris.

    Lloyd, racism is racism regardless of who practices it. However, most of those 1950 Ds in the South now call themselves Rs.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 9:23 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    I am proclaiming here and now that Barack Hussein Obama is a braggart.
    Just for fun I Googled the word our president used in grading his presidency. We know he has committed a litany of sins but now it seems he has committed a new one. The man is obviously guilty of BRAGGING. He's not nearly as good president as he thinks. He gave himself an incomplete.

    SYNONYMS FOR INCOMPLETE:
    abridged, broken, crude, defective, deficient, expurgated, fractional, fragmentary, garbled, half-done, immature, imperfect, inadequate, incoherent, insufficient, lacking, meager, part, partial, rough, rude, rudimentary, short, sketchy, unaccomplished, unconsummated, under construction, undeveloped, undone, unexecuted, unpolished

    In all honesty the man should have used the word INCOMPETENT.
    Google tells me the synonyms are:
    unqualified awkward, clumsiness, debarment, disenablement, disentitlement, elimination, exclusion, incapacitation, incapacity, incompetency, ineligibility, ineptitude, lack of fitness, unproficiency

    Now doesn't that sound more like the Obama that we know and don't love.





     
  • L Wallace posted at 9:13 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    I am still waiting for Bob W. to answer my documented claim that the Dems were in power in the South during his travels there in the 1950s, when there were WHITE ONLY fountains, restaurants, restrooms, and bus seats. If Ds were in power (in the South) when he was there (1950s) it would verify that Democrats were responsible for allowing or administering the racism Bob witnessed.

    I didn't have time for all 700+ lines of Dawgshepherd but I commend Laurie Wadkins for taking the time. Laurie seems to have moved a bit closer to the center-right position of the majority of Americans. I share much of her sentiment in her 1:32 pm post.

    Anybody surprised that the Ds have moved from referencing God 7 times in 2004, to 4 times in 2006, only once in 2008 and none in 2012? I'm not, especially when in the year of not mentioning God at all they endorsed the legitimizing and establishment of the gay family unit, removed don't ask don't tell from the military & began the attack on Christianity through "health care" reproduction. The Ds are quickly becoming the Godless party, just as their platform indicates. Oh sure, when they are called on it they retreat real quick but platforms do not change without careful consideration.

    The Ds platform leaving Jerusalem out of being the capital of Israel, as well as other issues in the palestine issue, is nothing more than a distancing from Israel by this D administration. It fits right in with Obama's snub of the Israeli leader when he visited here and O. left him in a room by himself & Obama's lack of a visit to Israel during his Arab tour of bowing to (Arab) leaders.

    If Israel doesn't want to have the Nazi ovens applied externally by nukes they better get busy (right after the Romney's installation) and take out the nuke factories. If they act before the change of power, Obama might just declare Martial law and hang onto power even if he loses the election.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 9:00 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 717

    I like Clinton now, didn't when he was in office. Gave a powerful speech but way too long....Obama was behind the curtain probably saying wow how much longer.
    My wife however can't stand the sight on 'Slick Willy'....how can the party of Power to Women have this adultering lecher speak...pretty desperate...you know he despises Obama anyway
    Seems they couldn't fill the 'Big House'....haha

     
  • Steve Hatcher posted at 8:14 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 2474

    Bob, I know the Democratic line is that Obama created 4 million jobs but they're really reclaimed jobs at lower pay grades for the most part that were previously lost . There were still more workers under Bush with a smaller population. You know, eventually business picks up no matter who's the president, and this president has a 54% disapproval rating. But I agree, he'll get a bounce in the poles.

    I saw the DNC fiasco last night with the vote to put God and Jerusalem back into the platform. The noes seemed to be as loud as the ayes. maybe Acorn was involved? Maybe too many Muslims, and a lot of empty seats.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 8:13 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3257

    @dawgshepherd:
    When you have two as disparate as Laurie and I both liking your letter you've belted a homerun. Lots of stuff that I could have written. I worked a lot of time I should have spent with my kids.
    I didn't get a lot of help building my business from the govt. either. Back when the economy was it's worst in the Carter era I had over a 100 grand in accounts receivable but people just weren't paying the bills I was sending out. I came up $5,000 short of the near $10,000 I needed for my quarterlies by emptying my bank account. I went to my bank and had to borrow it on a personal note at over 20% interest. That was the kind of help I got out of the gov't. It's an Obamanation to talk about the help I got.
    Another not so little problem I had with the fiasco in N Carolina was the teary tribute to that drunken old sot of a senator from Massachusetts. The one that ran his car off a bridge with his girlfriend in it and left her to drown while he hid out until he was sober. If my memory serves me right her name was Mary Jo Kopechne of Chappaquiddick fame. I'm inclined to condemn him not pay him tribute. He's was no hero to a man.


     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:31 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 8903

    Mikey, Dr. K had no trouble writing good things about the Bush-Cheney Adm. Now that clearly shows that the man is more of a fiction writer than a journalist.

    I admit that attempts to interpret your thoughts are essentially staring into the dark and trying to imagine shapes and sizes that are indiscernible. It’s only an attempt to make you look sentient.

    OldMan, don’t you wish the R’s had someone as smart and capable as Clinton? The closest you come is Newt. I can live with that comparison all day. I’m happy to compare not only the Democratic convention with the Rs, but their record of leadership and success. I look forward to comparing Obama’s speech tonight to Romney’s of last week. But I really am looking forward to the debates. We will see both form and substance on display on the Democratic side. Even Mikey said that he was no huge fan of Romney, considering him an evil. I think he’s a little over the top on that, since characterizing Obama in the same way suggests how little he really knows or understands.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 7:30 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 508

    Excerpt from article I was reading this am Progress, as progressives understand it, means advancing away from, up from, something. But from what?

    From the Constitution’s constricting anachronisms. In 1912, Wilson said, “The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of governmental power.”

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 7:03 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

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    Laurie, thanks for taking the time to read it, kind of long.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 4:51 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

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    Cop-the chaos which erupted at the DNC as a result of Obama demanding their platform change will overshadow just about anything he has to say tonight, as though his speaking is something which Americans haven't had enough of in the first place. The Dems actually believe that not only don't we understand Obama's message, but that it is due to the fact he has not enunciated it enough. His problem is everyone understands exactly what he's doing and we want no part of it.

    http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/11/obama-people-just-dont-understand-what.html

    the blogger comments under the article are particularly revealing

     
  • Old Cop posted at 3:31 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

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    Our Wyndi just keeps getting Wyndier while following lockstep behind his Pied Piper. Obama wants us to believe we are better off today than we were four years ago. So what does he do? He induces the first president of the US ever to be found guilty in a court of law of perjury to tell us more lies. And Bill lied superbly but then Clinton has had much practice. I'm wondering what the Anointed One promised Bill Clinton as his reward? Even if Bill really believed we are better off today, we know he doesn't know what is is. He obviously doesn't know what better off is either.
    What a travesty for a convention there in N. Carolina. Obama will be soaking up his adulation tonight under cover. No 75,000 seat arena to hear his impassioned rhetoric. The official reason for moving Obama's acceptance speech to the 20,000 hall is the very slim chance of a thunder storm. I have an impeccable source telling me that the Democrats are already paying occupiers to occupy some of the 20,000 seats in the hall. If held in the arena Fox News of course would pan those vacant seats repeatedly during Obama's blathering showing three quarters of them empty.
    I hope everyone noticed how vociferously the Muslims for Obama objected to putting God and Jews back into the Democrat's platform. I thought one might die of apoplexy in some kind of a cerebrovascular incident

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 3:31 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

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    Laurie- for what it‘s worth, your 1:32 pm post floored me and I had to read it twice. You said some pretty brave things that have earned you a lot of respect in my book. You are full of surprises, and I will not skip over your posts in the future. The transparent ploys of same sex marriage and illegal amnesty have been suddenly occluded by the words “God” and “Jerusalem.” There’s trouble in River City!
    You’re no huge fan of Romney and neither am I, yet this all boils down to the lesser of two evils and the best chance we have to turn things around involves a change of leadership, preferably with a real leader.

    Bob, the reason we’ve never seen Krauthammer write anything positive about Obama is due to the fact there has never been anything positive for him to write about as he saw right through Obama from the git-go, and once you understand someone’s motives, their words- even their actions don’t matter very much.
    A crude example would be John Gotti, who was known for being well dressed and for giving to the poor, but….he was still John Gotti and no matter WHAT he did, that fact overshadowed everything.

    Your attempt to express what you believe to be my thoughts "I have no idea what he will do, I just don't like the other guy" is laughable. I can just as easily paint what I believe to be YOUR thoughts: ”I don’t care WHAT Obama does to America and the economy, I’m voting for him anyway.”
    Romney has a record of success which proves he knows what to do when an organization is in trouble.
    All he has to do is the exact opposite of what Obama has done so far, and it will reverse the damage.
    But to be serious, as I said to Laurie this election is simply about the lesser of two evils. It always is.

    Rice, Baker, Shultz & Kissinger endorse Romney http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/5/romney-for-recovery/

    Hamas and Communist Party USA endorse Obama
    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/05/is-hamas-backing-obama-for-president/
    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/cpusa-says-re-electing-obama-is-absolutely-essential/

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:00 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Lloyd, there just doesn’t seem to be any way to make you happy. 4 million jobs, but they’re just not the right kind of jobs. Maybe the next four years will yield a better class of job, but that won’t happen if Romney is elected.

    Yes, reddawn, it was a great night. That’s two for two. And the best the Rs had in response is that Clinton worked better with Republicans during his eight years and that’s why he was able to accomplish as much as he did. I’m sure Obama would have done more if he had any cooperation from the Rs. But, as they said from the beginning, their primary goal was to make Obama a one term president. Well, they failed the country and will fail to prevent Obama's reelection. I wonder what their next goal is, to make him the worst two-term president in history? Too late, Bush already set the bar pretty high for that.

     
  • reddawn posted at 10:33 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    @ Bob, After tonight between the Nuns, and all the speakers and President Clinton giving Math lessons to the public to explain how things work I am done with the Rs on this site , I wish you well in your efferts to try to educate those whom do not want to be educated. President Obama has done a great job, however those Tea Party haters got rid of any Republican that wanted to help the American people . I see them as Evil. Costco, backs our President, no wonder they run the company with such respect for their employess. The Catholic church backs Obama, made clear by the Nuns. This is a hard statement , however it is what I see and what I hear. Doing their best to pass laws against the black folks and the poor. This is not Gods law, it is evil that I thought was in the past, I believe Obama will win, because the truth is the truth and good is stronger than evil! Romney and Ryan are men who thinks God is greed and money. And could care less about the middle income, and like Romney said Fact checkers will not hurt us, Americans are to stupid, so lets keep running with the lies. ! Go Dems, VOTE OBAMA

     
  • L Wallace posted at 9:50 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    A little research will reveal the private sector share of those supposed 4 million jobs were of lower pay or less hours & less benefits than the jobs they replaced. Only the public sector union jobs were of the similar pay & benefits - payback for special interest group union support.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:47 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Wilson, remember when he chose to bail out GM; Romney wanted to let them go under. There's a bunch of jobs. How about infrastructure projects and the stimulus. All those programs created jobs.

    If you look at the employment numbers you will see job losses from Feb 2009 to Feb 2010, resulting from the Bush policies winding down. From March 2010 to now, the economy added 4 million net jobs, 4.5 million in the private sector, with half a million government jobs being lost due to government spending cuts to states.

    If John McCain had won in 2008, many economists believe that we would be closer to 12% unemployment, suffering GDP decline instead of growth.

    I hope you had a chance to see Bill Clinton speak tonight. Might turn you into a Democrat.

     
  • wilson posted at 8:24 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    wilson Posts: 1057

    Bob - 'splain again how O created these jobs, I can't remember how that worked - also if there are more unemployed now than three years ago and the median income is lower, how do you relate that to success? If you can explain this, I bet you would qualify for a professors job in a University somewhere teaching new math -

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:09 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Steve, if your definition of failure is creating 4 million jobs, then you're right. If your definition of failure is passing a law to give women a better opportunity for equal pay, you're right. If killing Osama bin Laden is failure, if helping Libya eliminate an evil leader is failure, if bringing our troops home from Iraq is failure, if ending DNDT is failure, then you're right. I see that as success and, fortunately, so do the American people.

    As for Romney leading, you better let the British bookies know because they still have Obama as a heavy favorite.

    Let me know how Romney is doing next week.

     
  • Steve Hatcher posted at 6:44 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Bob, Obama has had almost four years, and has failed.

    I see where Romney is leading in the battleground states.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 6:38 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    Bob W. says truthfully & lists accurately -

    " I spent some summers in the South in the 50s, with colored restrooms, colored water fountains, colored section at the ball park and coloreds in the back of the bus. To say nothing of no coloreds at the lunch counter or in the movie theater. That ignores the beatings and lynchings."

    What Bob fails to mention is that it was the Democrat Party (oldest U.S. political party) that administered slavery and the anti black actions IN THE SOUTH he refers to. The Republican party was in charge of the government when slavery was ended ( Lincoln - 1864) but it was not in controling power in the South from the Lincoln forward - nor according to Wikipedia was the Rs in power in the South from "1876-1948" nor were Rs strong in the South during the 1950's. The South sent Mr.Byrd, a KKK member, to the Senate. Some called him "sheets Byrd".

    My suggested source is google, "us political power in the South", then select "politics of the southern united states" on the Wikipedia site & select "Solid South" in the index and then "20th Century political movements". Look carefully and I will bet that it was the Ds who resisted the black vote.

    For Bob to now try to hang the anti black actions of the South around the Rs neck is just so much baloney.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 4:25 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Gee, Wilson, you think the blacks have any cause to be racist? They’ve been treated so well, especially in the South. I spent some summers in the South in the 50s, with colored restrooms, colored water fountains, colored section at the ball park and coloreds in the back of the bus. To say nothing of no coloreds at the lunch counter or in the movie theater. That ignores the beatings and lynchings.

    Sarge, have you got a cite for that factcheck claim. I can’t seem to find it.

    Mikey, have you ever seen Krauthammer write anything positive about the Obamas. I’d take his column with a big grain of bias. One long paragraph and not one suggestion, Mikey. I guess Romney is as opaque to you as he is to everyone else. So you don't know what he should do, will do or you want him to do. Pretty classic conservative voter. "I have no idea what he will do, I just don't like the other guy."

    Steve, I guess it’s easier to ignore my point than accept it. Even Romney agrees that a new president should get six months to a year for his policies to take hold. Well, he won’t have to worry about that.

     
  • reddawn posted at 3:58 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    @wallace: We have owned many business, One we closed, now we save companies, and as far as yard work, or house keeping you are wrong, Many folks own their own lawn companies in which they are resposible for taxes and insurance as well as house keepers. Just like Mary Maids. So Mr know it all, it has been way to long for you to have been in business, We are called independent contractors. Look that one up for yourself. We are many. We are thousands. We are going Forward, unlike those who want the same old Bush years, and look where that got us, Millions of jobs lost, making Asia and India the wealth of this planet and making themselfs Billonares, born into money, out of touch, taking the rights of Women away, less wages for the same job, control of your body, less education for our children of today, higher medical, slaves to the Rich, tell you who to love, who to worship, and to condem us all to WAR!

     
  • Steve Hatcher posted at 3:05 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Bob, the unemployment rate has been consistently above 8% and has risen since April of this year. Black unemployment stands at 14.1%. The U-6 unemployment is at 15%. I think it’s fair to say that Obama's horrible policies have taken effect.
    As for nuance, anyone who blames Bush for all our economic woes hasn't an ounce of it.


     
  • L Wallace posted at 1:45 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    Now Reddawn gives us some real information. She posted to me in the past that her company was going to "hire a hundred people" and now the real number comes out - (11:40 am post today) - only two employees "next year" for 1 day a week - actually 5 hours of labor a week at $ 75 for 1 day - but the employee(s) will be "responsible for their taxes". I imagine health care is not included either, or the employer's half of S. S. security taxes. What a deal.

    This is the kind of economy we can expect to continue if Obama stays in office.

    Just for Reddawn's information: It is illegal to hire someone and not pay the employer's part of their S.S. taxes, have industrial accident insurance, and after Jan 1, 2013 not have health insurance for employees unless a $2,000 tax or fine is paid. I predict these jobs will evaporate if they are subject to existing law. Lots of politicians get caught doing what you talk of.

    Back in the spring (2012) this conservative hired a commercial concrete contractor (1 worker) at his commercial bid price & materials in concrete work over a 3 day period. Subtracting the concrete & rebar materials left about $800. for the three days of work. I accepted the bid of another contractor at his commercial bid that worked out to $160. per day for up to 5 days a week (weather permitting) for multiple weeks until we got the contracted work finished & I have another job for him coming up. Let the reader decide whether liberals or conservatives pay better.

    Reddawn, there are lots of hispanics working in the Pacific Northwest from the hops fields above Bonners Ferry & the Peruvians at Schweitzer, to the fruit orchards of the Okanogan valley & vegtable fields in Wa. & Ore. Just hang around any Wal-Mart on their payday to watch them send their money home.

     
  • reddawn posted at 1:44 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1670

    For dawgshepherd,, my valued husband never has time to even read this comment site or comment, so I dont believe a word out of your mouth. We dont drive new cars, never have, if you saw my home you would think I am a muli millionare. When President Clinton was in office , our health insurance for our employess was affordtable, with profit sharing. We all worked hard, we supported those whom had a hard life, born disabled, born poor. Then came Bush, our clients became without a job, the companies they had worked for were gone, gone to Asia, India. Medical insurance climbed with Bush in power companies became more greedy as we watched every year our costs go high in insurance. Our clients gone. We hired anyone, who had drive, passion, we had a social life with Jews , Blacks, Spanish, White, Mixed, We were the generation of success of love who you love, we all made a great income, all of us. Then when Bush made his lie to us all, the corps will create business, Wrong, they took it down, along with Millions of jobs, Now we want them back, rebuild, and yet all along some want to go backwards to the good old Bush days, Wall Street, Banks that steal, lies, to control your life, your freedom to love, to have you in slavery to the golden chairs, so all along they can buy the golden road to darkness for the middle income, to no where, false stories, lies upon lies, so they can have more, and more, and charge us for their kingdoms on earth.

     
  • Laurie Wadkins posted at 1:32 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Nice post Dawgshepherd. Folks who have never owned a company have no concept of the taxes employers pay, unless of course you are a CPA.
    -----I couldn't stand it any longer and sold my business in 88", seven employees were let go. I escaped up here to North Idaho, where our government policies are rearing their ugly heads.
    ----- Well, to be fair to both parties, I sacrificed a few hours of my time and listened to some of both conventions. Memorible was the RNC, where Clint Eastwood talked to an empty chair where apparently Obama was sitting. I couldn't see him, kinda like I've never seen "the emperors new cloths". Obama didn't say much, especially after Clint said, "don't you tell me to shut up"!! Up until minutes before the "mystery" speaker was to "appear", a 3-d talking image of Ronald Reagan was slated for the spot. Now I'm a big sci-fi fan, but really, this was over the top!!!
    ----- On to the Dems... I did learn a thing or two. Michelle loves Barak more than ever! Now if that doesn't qualify him for the presidency I don't know what does. However, she lies. Obama attended the most expensive private high school in Hawaii, (no grants here). But, aside from his dismal handling of this nation, I also take exception with same sex marriage, and illegal immigrants born here gaining instant citizenship. These are ploys to win votes.
    [sad]

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 12:40 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    To All My Valued Employees,

    There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job.

    What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country. Of course, as your employer, I am forbidden to tell you whom to vote for - it is against the law to discriminate based on political affiliation, race, creed, religion, etc.

    Please vote for who you think will serve your interests the best. However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interest. First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story.

    This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You saw my big home at last year’s Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life. However, what you don't see is the back story.

    I started this company 12 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living space was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

    My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

    Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's.

    My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business --- with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

    So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9 am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5 pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, ****, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to me like a 1 day old baby.

    You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... You never realize the back story and the sacrifices I've made.. Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail out all the people who didn't.

    The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for. Yes, business ownership has its benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

    I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

    The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check?

    Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country. The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy. Here is what many of you don't understand .. to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

    When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the mud of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine.

    Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep. So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem anymore. Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire.

    You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

    While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget the back story: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on zero dollars is zero. So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself, who understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants to tell you "It's the economy Stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.

    If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the Constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me in the South Caribbean sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

    Signed, Your boss,



     
  • Timmie posted at 12:10 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Bruce says: " let's get the wealthy to start spending on business and technology and let the free market roll.."

    Just how do you propose that happens.? Taxes have been lowered to 1950's levels for the wealthy and they still refuse to invest in America. Instead they put their precious money in accounts that can't be taxed or they invest in corporations outside the US.

    Mr Johnson, the very wealthy are in it for themselves. Not the country, not the middle class, not you or me, but for their own self gratification and the honor of boasting that "mine is bigger than yours".

     
  • reddawn posted at 11:40 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Luv, I was only saying that the Affortanble Health Care could get you coverage at a rate you can afford. It is sad that when our President thought that Republicans and Dems would work togather. The Republicans promised they would not support anything , and that they did. This comment site is of what a person THINKS not what is fact. Polico, as well as policofact check is about real truths. Romney doesnt think they will effect him due to the lack of education or the desire for many to know the truth. I am up to date with the Affordtable Health Care program, knowing that myself and many young people will be able to buy insurance that I can afford and my daughter can afford. Anyone who is retired gets Medicare, they dont have to work, they come from another time line. I dont know about you, where your blood line comes from, unless you are 100% Native American your family comes from another country. What some say is just not true, do you see around here alot of Mexicans working, NO, However I do know alot of young people who would like a job . I will be hiring two young folks next year , one day a week for five hours a week for $75.00. Not bad, however you will be responsible for your own taxes. Not a bad wage for five hours . Now get that from any of the Rs here, Good luck. And insuance has been going up for the last ten years, Clinton tried this, the Rs said no, why Greed. So here we are again, affortable health care, yet the Medicare folks think the good old days are still, That means lets take away Medicare NOW, No way I promise. Last week we saw a family member who had open heart surgery,the Medicare paid $135,000 dollars, she never worked, her husband did but not even close to what he paid in. Can you imagine if we could search the US for insuance how compitition would play a role. And as far as the sex slave market, or slave to keep a house, these kids are brought here in lies of pros who know how to buy illegal passports and so on. And dont think for a moment that the high ups are not white men or women. Slavery is still, I am around young folks all the time, black, native, mixed,white, spanish you name it, None has a issue with color, none.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 11:28 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Sarge- Fact Check not alone, Krauthammer said of it: "brilliant speech... but I didn't buy a line of it."

    Bob asks: "What is it you would hope Romney will do to make the economy better?"

    Better than WHAT? Certainly better than the job Obama has done. Romney knows how to create jobs and has a record to back it up.The only record Obama has is one of failure, and his biggest achievement involves sending Seals off to do his dirty work for him so he can bask in the glory of what THEY did!
    This is the same guy who sends form letters to the parents of our fallen warriors signed with an AUTO-PEN, while we're supposed to believe the fluff Michelle told last night about him hunched over reading letters from people and all the concern he has for them. Huh? The emotion she was trying to project with her shaking, tremolo voice of hers was very convincing until you realize she was reading a teleprompter.

     
  • opns_sergeant posted at 10:44 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Thought "Fact Check" was a lib favorite. They called Michelle's speech a "Fairy tale."

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 10:20 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Red dawn- Are you saying I fall for lies? Or need insurance? Both are possible. Lies are part of politics and always will be. Deciphering them raraely happens, admitting to "Lewinskys" isnt exactly what politicians do. I agree First Lady Obama's speech was good for Obama. It was motivating. It was an American dream, but i dont think speaking of the hard times was a option. I was left wondering if it was the the whole truth, sounds a little cliche and too good to be true. I was wondering well if she lived that life, why is she blinded to the times of today? The times of today werent properly addressed with struggle or for what they are IMO. I will always get up and keep trying but I know many people that have given in and let the government take care of them, because it's easier. Anyway I am pretty sure it wasnt all smiles with Mrs Obama growing up. However, she is the reason why I turned my head back for two seconds toward Obama and still thinking of it today. The same re-occurring thought keeps coming to me though and i cant chase it away or find a adequate solution. I give someone the chance in life to show me they won't hurt me, they will do as they say they are going to and then I trust them and allow them to be my friend. If they did me wrong from the beginning usually I don't let them have the chance to do it twice. Boundaries made my life so much more pleasant, realizing I have a choice. Obama was given that chance, he made promises that weren't kept and I expected he wouldn't be able to do everything after the Bush insanity. 4 years ago I probably could of afforded insurance and to keep my little business that if started then would have backing to make it through some hard times (winters and economy wise.) Taking food off our table to help others (my business,) while spending 50-60 hours a week with my son at my business wasn't effiencient or fair ( to my son & bf) anymore. Without my son, I probably would have got a second job, working as Medical assistant and tried longer however it was the deal my bf would pay for us to live, I would work my business. Some months I profited for sure, others though he helped me and it was food and money we needed to live. 4 years ago we were better off, but doing the same things or more. More people had money to spend. They were remodeling, building and buying. We always are Supplementing our income with fresh vegetables and wood, I buy used (clothing) for the most part for my son and us when possible, I try to buy local, i do not buy at Walmart unless its a must for savings, we take side jobs, we make our furtinure or I re-condition pieces to suite. We had more sales of wood (4x,) aood much more vegetables, we had so much work we never stopped and when I bought items for convenience or comfort I didn't feel guilty. Now I worry we might need something else. Making due and sewing the duvet my son ripped and being resourceful I enjoy. Savings was almost 3x what it is today. There differences that I feel could have been less severe without some decisions. I am glad the war is over but I want our troops home. I wan us to start looking into our needs and maybe its selfish. I however, am fearing. Fear is supposed to be a good feeling, something to motivate us and let us look at what's off. Fear is overwhelming in the US and making people live off fear is not healthy. People go to lower places where driven by fear, more crime, more suicides, more drinking and drug abuse, more domestic abuse, more people making stupid decisions. I don't know the answer, I wish someone had one. Someone starting to fix this, is what I want. When you fix a car, it has to be taken apart first and made vulnerable. We are already taken apart and vulnerable. It's time we start putting the pieces back in place and making the United States run united as it should. what drives my fear most is watching my parents 50 years old and living in fear. They have worked everyday for 35 years, they have built their house from the ground up when I was 2. I fear and would give anything to know they were going to be ok. They are now needing insurance and I fear for them most. I can still make due. If a younger person comes and takes my dads job of 30 years for half the salary, it would devastate our family. The new person would not near the knowledge and no how my dad has but when corporations like this one see $$$$ of savings they are tempted because of the TIMES, otherwise they wouldn't consider. We need to FIX the car and get it moving in the right direction.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 10:09 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Reddawn you are a hoot in your 9:16 am post today. [beam]

    The slavery subject discussion was about racial slavery that influences the racial vote in elections today.

    As for house & other "slaves", you must be referring to a breaking of a verbal contract in getting foreigners to come to America in some form of green card or illegal immigration? Broken contracts are for the civil courts to determine and illegal immigration is for the police & criminal courts. Now that the Obama government says it will no longer enforce the immigration laws, it means that more Americans will not have jobs while illegal immigrants will have more of those "slavery" jobs.

    I could be "lost" & blinded by the good times of the past, but my lack of knowledge does not exceed yours in the skill set of education. You consistently make all kinds of unsubstantiated claims, mixing subjects, taking statements out of context & etc., not to mention your command of the english language.

    Leave it to the fearful to decide who lives in "FEAR". [smile]

    Luv83864 has an open mind and being the "queen" of Google will serve her well in her life successes. Truth has nothing to hide in close inspection. Luv sees the price of gasoline every time she fills up her vehicle. She also sees the issue of 23 million unemployed, underemployed (etc.), it looks like it affected her life.

    The queston for Luv (& all others) is whether to stick with a novice in the economic world or hire a successful & proven CEO and CFO that will manage the economy in cooperation with private enterprise that provides the economic resources for all jobs. Or she could give up, apply for welfare, and join the 14 million new recepients of food stamps under the 4 years of Obama administration.

    Luv says she learns by experience just as I have for over 6 decades, so I have no doubt of her coming to factual conclusions. She has already experienced enough cause to effect to open her mind.

     
  • wilson posted at 10:03 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Bob - Racism is alive and well in most Southern States - but it is far more prevalent with Blacks against Whites - Go visit some towns in Alabama or Mississippi and walk down the streets - better yet walk from one small town to another on the highway and wee if you make it - Let us know how it works out for you if you are able - and that is a fact- Most folks who have not lived "the Southern Way" know nothing of which they speak -

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:42 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Steve, don’t forget nuance. In January 2010, just 11 months after Bush left office, the unemployment rate was 9.7%. I think it’s fair to say that is about the time that Obama policies began to take effect. Clearly, the hole we are in is still the work of GW Bush and Obama will need more time and help to get us back to higher employment.

    Thanks, Cap. Just trying to put out the facts.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 9:32 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Ok Bob , one more time. While taxing the wealthy is politically a positive point for liberals courting the votes of the poor and desparate in the unending game of class warfare and envy, its a loser in my opinion. The added revenue under Obama's rule would fund the government for 8 1/2 days according to government budget sources. Hardly an improvement in the runaway and crushing spending appetite now going unchecked. Take the US having the highest corp tax rate in the world now (Japan just lowered their's), business and its associated jobs are moving overseas, and the jobless numbers climb while Obama keeps on 'investing' money we don't have in failed projects that support his base.
    Its unfortunate, but federal entitlement expenditures are the culprits in our runaway debt that will collapse the country unless reform is enacted and soon.
    Who in their right mind would risk investing after tax dollars sitting safely in their banks and IF they actually made money on that investment , pay Uncle Sam 30% cap gain tax . I say the lower the better on cap gains, let's get the wealthy to start spending on business and technology and let the free market roll...it means JOBS and more revenue from those businesses and workers spending paychecks not US Treasury checks.

     
  • capnbutch posted at 9:16 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Bob,

    When I saw the title for this article and then found your name on it, I expected something divisive and hurtful. You please me much today. This is the kind of start we need. Friendship and respect are far better.

    I have been named an "anti-government patriot" by an extreme Left-Wing Organization. Worse yet, that same wealthy outfit calls a black friend and me, "racists."

    I hope you will lead the way toward fairness for all. After all, the law of our land is not Human Rights. Instead, the law is Equal Rights.

    You seem to be helping us all on the way.

     
  • reddawn posted at 9:16 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    First Lady Mrs Obama, A true American success story. Not born into money, Hard working father with MS who still went to work so his children could have a better life. Called education. The story of how Romney left as Gov was a eye opener for me. Loved the story of how the Republcans didnt pass equal pay for Women, and if that is not a control issue I am not sure what you call it. Then Romney is hideing his income of the past , the first person ever in our history in hideing. Loved this one, So little econimic patriotism that even Romneys money needs a passport:" Just because you bank against the United States does not mean the rest of us are willing ot sell her out, We are American. Then we go to the Affortable Care Act, You pay less for your medication because of a bill passed under the care for Americans who couldnt eat due to the high cost of medication, @Wallace, No slavery today, are you kidding me, the sex slave market is so out of hand , our police department is working over time . Then we have house slaves, Women and Men promised a better life in the US and then when they get here they are put into slavery. Thats why Romney wants less police officers, Wow. I cannot even imagine you are so blind on what is happening in this country. Thank God we have folks out there who dont have their heads in the sand. You Tea Party folks are so lost in the past, it has become pitiful. Romneys gang said not even the fact finders will effect us, why they are counting on your lack of knowledge. What does that tell you, The Old are blind, yup! The Affortable Health Care Act opens compitition up by taking down the borders of States making it possible for compitition, just like you home insuance. So young folks and small business can affored insurance. like Luv, yet you fall into the lies, the FEAR , you have lived your lifes and could care less about education, health care, why your old, your entitled, you play God,

     
  • Area Man posted at 9:00 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    That would mean charging the oil companies for drilling on public in a manner that is similar to timber companies: competitive rates based on the market value of the commodity. Right now, the carbon industry receives huge subsidies by in effect not paying for the resources they extract and sell back to the taxpayers. Not to mention the well-documeted environmental cleanup cost and health costs that everyone pays for whether they know it or not. Acid rain is still killing forests and agriculture in the Northeast (it is a sorry, sorry sight), we just dont see it in N. Idaho. It is cheaper and less disruptivej to the Oil industry to subsidize the green energy biz (except ethanol) than to increase the fees and taxes on carbon to reflect its true costs.

     
  • Area Man posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    If Nobel-prize winning economists disagree among themselves as to the perfect approach of government to the economy, why do people assume that politicians have a crystal ball and magic wand to make everyone happy? People dont get riled up over nuanced, well thought-out plans that can be adjusted and adapted over time. People get boiling mad and start grabbing their bullhorns when they become three word slogans shouted by mobs and used as punctuation by talking heads on TV.

     
  • Steve Hatcher posted at 8:48 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Morgan Freeman said recently that Obama is not the first black president due to the fact that his mother was white with other mixtures (who cares). Whatever his racial breakdown, since he took office the country has gone from 7.8% unemployment to 8.3%, median income has dropped from $54,983 to $50,964, gas prices have risen from $1.84 to $3.82, and the national debt has increased from 10.6 trillion to 15.95 trillion. The budget deficit in 2008 under Bush was $458.5 billion versus 1.29 trillion in 2011 under Obama. In addition, as of February this year there's still a net loss of 1.7 million jobs since Obama took first took office, which admittedly has improved somewhat since.
    Voters should check out Politifact which lists over 80 broken promises by Obama.
    I think it's time for a change.


    (sources: Depts. of Energy, Treasury, and CBO, etc.)

     
  • Area Man posted at 8:45 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    Hear, hear, sir.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:56 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Bruce, you’re right. What is it you would hope Romney will do to make the economy better? That is the big issue before us.

    What’s wrong with taxing the wealthy? Are you saying we shouldn’t do it. That is certainly part of Ryan’s plan to eliminate taxes on capital gains. Do you think capital should be taxed at lower rates than labor? If so, why? These are issues worth discussing.

    What is the “punitive regulatory net” on energy? How does it impact oil and gas development?

    It would be very helpful if you can explain the impact of these confining regulatory and tax policies rather than just give use campaign slogans.

    Leech, why don’t you do it. It seems to be a topic of interest to you.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 7:55 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    @ Bob W's 9:44 pm post:

    Bob, what happened to "Forward"? So far, all the Ds & blacks want to do is look backward and blame others for their plight. I say to them "man up", take responsibility for your actions of TODAY (& your term) and the results of those actions.

    No one in America today is a slave and no one is a slave owner. Using the wrongs of the past to continue wrongs today is to continue the immorality. Same with the gender issue, no normal person today thinks women shouldn't have a say & vote or run for office. We sure do not need racisits of any skin color to be leaders in America.

    Mitt might have to "take his next shot against Hillary" but he will then be the incumbent and Hillary has already failed in trying to force government intervention in health care, not to mention her bedside reading material of folk's IRS tax returns.

    I am not holding anything against blacks, women, hispanics, or asians, and I will condemn the fruits (actions) of those who do have such problems. Those who "live in the past" are bound to repeat the immorality of the past. Time to "grow up" & get over the immorality of generations past & determine not to repeat the immorality.

    Gasoline prices have risen just as Obama said he wanted them to "be more in line with Europe's pricing". Do you really think that closing the Gulf of Mexico, refusing to let the Keystone pipeline move forward, stopping the drilling in Alaska's wilderness, and increasing the red tape for drilling permits, & refineries have nothing to do with fuel prices?

    Crude oil supply has risen in America, no thanks to the Ds who have always resisted increasing supply to pander to the fanatical environmentalists. Ds have always claimed that it takes up to 10 years to bring new oil to market. That means by their own claims Obama had nothing to do with the current increase in crude oil supply, oil men Bush (& Chaney) was president 10 years ago.

    Obama has the results of his governing policy actions. Unemployment is up from all the uncertainity, prices are up for all goods and services from devaluing the currency through huge multiple printings of paper markers of value. Alternative energy in solar & electric cars has obviously proved it cannot compete in the market place. Any politician that pushes alternative energy ahead of the science is bound to fail. I know because I am an alternative energy supplier on systems that are over 30 years old.

    So, if this election is about issues Obama will lose by a 10 point or larger margin. Obama's only chance is to demonize Romney & Ryan as some sort of devils. Most reasonable people can see through all this negativity. That leaves a pretty low bar for Romney to jump over - just prove he does not have "horns", be positivie about the future & look knowledgeable of the issues in the debates, just like Reagan did in 1980.

     
  • leechstomper posted at 7:24 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

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    Now that everybody is concerned about bias, I wonder when someone is going to post the stats about how Romney's religion is going to affect the election. It seems that there is at least as much concern about it as when the country was nervous over JFK's Catholicism. I have heard lots more negative remarks over it than Obama's race.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 7:02 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 717

    Another thought, we just passed 16 trillion for our national debt, might be a good place to start...and Bob, don't make your favorite argument of taxing the wealthy, it won't begin to make a dent in the deficit spending and borrowing to cover it. Tax code reform to a much lower corp rate might attract business back and stop the open fleeing of jobs overseas. Drop the punitive regulatory net put in place lately on energy and let green based renewable sources take their rightful place as experimental and private sector driven, they are currently not cost effective and government mandated useage is premature and wasteful.
    Get the idea...

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 6:41 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 717

    I think we can stop berating the two candidates, they are both good family,qualified ,and men with high intellects. The choice we have in November is what we want from government, these two guys are poster boys for the two idealogies of that government's role in our lives. Maybe a little more chatter about their prospective ideas on running the place might be more enlightening.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 11:28 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    don't know why the double post- that is totally weird, but this has been that kind of night.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:56 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    yea sure Bob, the enonomy is in GREAT shape- that's why we're in the worst recovery in 70 years, and our debt just hit $16 trillion this evening. Please explain to us why nobody uttered the phrase "We are better off now than we were four years ago" at the DNC tonight? There sure was a lot of talking, but that phrase did not come off the stage. Why is that, Bob? You say Obama is a good president. That must explain his low approval rating. At this time in 2004, Bush's approval rating was 52%, Obama's is now 44%. (Gallup)

    Bob- you keep saying things but none of it connects with reality. Are you OK?

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:51 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    yea sure Bob, the enonomy is in GREAT shape- that's why we're in the worst recovery in 70 years, and our debt just hit $16 trillion this evening. Please explain to us why nobody uttered the phrase "We are better off now than we were four years ago" at the DNC tonight? There sure was a lot of talking, but that phrase did not come off the stage. Why is that, Bob? You say Obama is a good president. That must explain his low approval rating. At this time in 2004, Bush's approval rating was 52%, Obama's is now 44%. (Gallup)

    Bob- you keep saying things but none of it connects with reality. Are you OK?

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:30 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    But, Mikey, Obama has made no decisions that have wrecked the economy. He did make a decision that wrecked Osama bin Laden's life. But the rest of his work is building a better future.

    Obama is a good president. Contrasting the Democrat's convention, so far, with the Republican's, all I can say is, good luck in 2016. Do you think Romney will try again? Maybe Jeb Bush will step up.

    I do expect Obama to wreck one thing before the campaign is over--any hope Romney may have for becoming president.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:12 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    "Racial resentment affected his campaign, election and evaluations of his presidency and his policies."

    So all the decisions Obama has made which have wrecked our economy, run up record deficits, debt, and unemployment have nothing to do with his low approval ratings- it's just his race. I see. And all this time you had us convinced it was Bush's fault. Good thing Obama's such a cool guy-at least he's got that going for him.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:44 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Lloyd, when you can claim that your grandfather or great grandmother was a slave, then you can join those standing tall for one of their own. But, short of that experience, I don't think you have much room to compare yourself with the ancestors of slaves.

    And, if you think that's a laughing matter, you must be a conservative.

    Just imagine when a woman is at the top of a ticket. Are you going laugh at women voting for a woman? You can bet it's going to happen and probably pretty soon. Mitt may have to take his next shot against Hillary. Will he have it in him after another four years on the sidelines? He will probably be richer, but will he be any better?

     
  • L Wallace posted at 9:03 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1355

    Let the excuses begin for the upcoming D. losses across the nation.

    Whites give a white candidate a 12 point vote margin and it is claimed that 3 or 4 points are due to racism.

    Blacks give a black candidate a 90+ point margin and it is not racism?

    Sorry, I gotta stop and laugh. [beam]

    This is pretty good entertainment.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:37 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Moose, you don’t need to lecture me about discrimination or skin color. I was simply pointing out data and discoveries made by academics who investigated the issue. It’s simply a fact. If you don’t like it tell your friends, acquaintances and contacts that you oppose discrimination, as I'm sure you do.

    But, you need to brush up on your reading skills if you think I was presenting a racist point of view. Next time I write a letter I will address the ignorance of some voters who can’t read, can’t analyze and can’t understand. It’s a real shame that any American can be so thick headed. But with your help I’m sure we can solve this problem.

    Wilson, 95% of blacks voted for Barack Obama in the last election. Nothing has really changed. And no, it’s not racist, it’s a fact.

     
  • wilson posted at 7:07 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Hmmm- I just read a survey that shows 95% of blacks intend to vote for Obama - but to mention that would be racist I suppose -

     
  • Northwoods Bull Moose posted at 7:02 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Mr Wynhausen ... I find your racist view of the world deeply disturbing and offensive. When will you learn that a person's skin color is irrelevant? Trying to categorize people by the color of their skin is disgusting. Do you also look for evidence of bias against people with big noses or curly hair? Skin color is simply a physical characteristic and nothing more ... yet you insist on putting people in different boxes depending on their skin color. Why?

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:53 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    "What about a meaningful conversation about spending, something that affects all of us"

    Just where was that conversation when Bush and company were spending us into a recession by keeping costs off the books.? Seems the right wing got spending religion the day Obama was elected.

     
  • life is good posted at 2:24 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Bruce - you might as well try arguing with a telephone pole instead of Bob - you will get the same results - when arguing with an idiot you need to be careful that some innocent person might not know who is who -

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 1:52 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Bruce, not only are your debating skills wanting, so are your reading skills. Where did I say that Davis was not voting for Obama because he was black. If you read the first clause of my first sentence, second paragraph of my last post you will see that. If you don't, then there is no hope for you. Not even a couple of years at Harvard would help.

    Oh, by the way, Mr. Romney spent a few years at elite universities, including Stanford, BYU and, wait for it, Harvard, where he got a law degree and an MBA. So, as you can see, Romney and Obama have two things in common--a Harvard education and white voters.

    It would be wonderful to have a conversation about spending. I'm sure you're all for cuts. Maybe you can write a letter to the editor to get us started. Don't forget defense, SS and Medicare.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 1:29 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    A usual assinine arguments are your forte ,Bob. Voting for a black president simply because he's black, by blacks is any different. Mr Davis not voting for Obama because he's black, that really a startling observation. Thanks for your insightful comments.
    What about a meaningful conversation about spending, something that affects all of us, and the front and center issue and policy decisions we are faced with in November. I think we have beaten abortion, same sex marriage, and Bush to death. Oh yeah , the war on women, sorry. Good Grief.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 12:34 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Bruce, the issue isn't blacks voting for a black man, that generally goes without saying at this point in our history. The issue is those who won't vote for a black man simply because he's black. That's the these studies are dealing with.

    I'm sure Mr. Davis will not vote for Obama because of his policies, not because Obama is black. So, what is your point? You unloaded a non sequitur at 10:50 AM, this appears to be more of the same.

    In debate 101 we are taught to provide pertinent arguments to support our positions. You don't seem to have any. But, considering that you represent yourself with a picture of George Bush, that comes as no surprise.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 11:57 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Bob , what about the 99% to zero advantage being black gives Obama with black voters. His job approval polling reflects his job performance...gosh what a concept. Quit making excuses for Obama , he does a pretty good job of that himself....The people are on to him starting with Artur Davis, the man who seconded his nomination in 2008, a black Congressman from Alabama, who lead off the Republican Convention, cured of democratisism.

     
  • Highwayman posted at 11:27 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Mr. Johnson, Just because Harvard teaches evolution and not that dinosaurs and men lived at the same time or that the earth is around 6000 years old doesn't mean it is a radical institution.

    How can one be "over educated?" Just another moocher and taker I suppose, in your moral universe, such as it is?

    The uni-bomber was a very disturbed human being. Being a rightwinger, I would think you could empathize with his dis-ease.

    You wear your ignorance with pride. I like that. Shows real character.

     
  • Timmie posted at 11:18 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Bruce: and you're description of Harvard is true because

    A) you actually went there and know first hand

    B) Rush and FOX TV told you so

    I pick B

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 10:50 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 717

    The uni-bomber went to Harvard. I get a kick out of the perception that anyone who went to this left wing staffed, over-educated think factory of radical ideas has the brand of truth and acceptance.