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Posted: Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:00 am

According to Webster’s dictionary, compromise is defined as “a settlement of differences reached by mutual concessions.” It seems that Mr. Barbieri, one of our North Idaho state representatives, has no use for any such concessions when it comes to the subject of governance.

How ironic it is that an elected official, who regularly spews his reverence for our nation’s Constitution, can be so oblivious to the very core of the initial construction of our nation’s framework. Often referred to as a “bundle of compromises,” any true citizen-patriot would concede the necessity for compromise regarding the constitutional convention process. Mr. Barbieri, however, like so many other far-right ideologues (Limbaugh, Norquist, etc.) seems to perceive compromise as some hideous weakness. The opportunity to remove these “McCarthy-like” cancers from our American political system cannot be missed. Vote for progress. Vote Democrat on Nov. 6.

DANIEL D. BUTLER

Sandpoint

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  • Timmie posted at 6:06 am on Fri, Nov 16, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Oh my god Commie, marxists, socialists everywhere. Grab the foil hats. Check under the bed and go outside only to yell at the kids on your lawn.

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:22 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    MF Sagle....Let me call the Waaaa-mbulance for you

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:21 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Moose....Let me call the Waaaa-mbulance for you

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:26 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Steve, you cut me to the quick.

    I would only lose in North Idaho.

     
  • Steve Hatcher posted at 8:27 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 2678

    The election can all be summed up this way. If Bob Wynhausen ran for president against O.J. Simpson, O.J. would win.

     
  • Timmie posted at 8:24 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Small matter Bob...very inadequate.

     
  • Timmie posted at 6:58 am on Thu, Nov 15, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Whaaaaa...I lost. It's the commies fault. The commies I tell ya. Whaaaaa.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:14 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Moose, I gave up trying to deal with reality vis a vis you conservatives. You don't understand the concept, you don't speak to it and you deny enough to encourage the men in the white coats to be looking for you and your other long-faced friends.

     
  • backlash posted at 6:57 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Moose do you ever stop saying how great you are or how stupid people are who disagree with you which is the same thing. I would have thought you might have gained some humility after the election?That lack of humility is to a great extent the reason Republicans lost this election which was their unabashed arrogance which led to their obstructionism as it is not possible you are wrong on any issue.

    A Romney supporter concerned about lying? ha ha ha! That is hilarious! Rush supporter too???

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 1:50 pm on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Moose, all I've seen you expose is yourself.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 8:49 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    While the liberals enjoy crowing about the Obama victory and the conservatives point various fingers at who is to blame for the loss, perhaps we should look to the future and leave Romney in the past. Obama has a major set of problems to deal with and how he attempts to resolve those problems will determine the future of the country. Let's all be clear, the margin of victory was small and a shift in the popular vote of a few states could have tipped the scale so the time has come to bring everyone together instead of creating more division. Each of us has our own perspective on what Obama as President will bring, let's see who is right during the next four years.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 7:27 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    moose: I know an ideological fool when I read one. You qualify.

    See ya around and keep checking under your bed for those commies. They are a sneaky bunch.

     
  • Frank's posted at 12:16 am on Wed, Nov 14, 2012.

    Frank's Posts: 308

    Bob,

    Hillary is too moderate for the Democrat Party.

    Rohm Emanuel would be very popular with the huge
    immigrant population in the new America and with the
    religious right.

    Rubio will be the Republican candidate in 2016. Foolishly, the
    Republicans will pursue the Hispanic vote, which they will never
    achieve, unless the Republicans alter their position and compete with
    the Democrats for the title of the big government party.

    Republicans and conservatives were warn over 15 years ago that open borders
    or massive immigration would destroy them. They wouldn’t listen.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:33 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Frank, it's "comprehensive immigration reform" not amnesty. Right thinking Republicans see the handwriting on the wall. They have come to grips with reality.

    Bobby Jindal came out today and told Rs to "stop being the stupid party." He also said to end "dumbed-down conservatism." If I had said that I would be pilloried by you guys. But this is the guy who gave the rebuttal speech to Obama's first speech to a joint session of Congress in Feb 2009.

    I'm betting the Rs don't take his advice. I mean, how do you tell a dummy to stop being a dummy? Just ask Moose.

    As for a 2016 bet, if that's the bet you want, I'll take all of it I can get. Emanuel will not be president any time soon. However, I'll put my money on Hillary for 2016. And, I will also bet that her opponent will not be Paul Ryan.

     
  • Frank's posted at 6:23 pm on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Frank's Posts: 308

    Bob,

    More good news for your side. The self-hating, suicidal Republicans are joining
    the Democrats in support of amnesty for all illegal aliens in the U.S. This
    should give the Democrats millions upon millions of additional votes in 2014
    and 2016.

    If I were a betting man I would bet on Rahm Emanuel to become the Democrat
    nominee for president in 2016 and the next president after Obama.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:25 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Dave, for loons, I'll give you Anthony Wiener, but you'll have to give me Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Allen West, Steve King, Paul Broun, Phil Gingrey, Louie Gohmert, Virginia Foxx, Grover Norquist...............and biggest of all, Rush Limbaugh, the big kahuna of the conservative movement.

    I couldn't help but notice that, in the world of Republican recrimination, the conservative entertainment complex is coming in for a lot of criticism. I must admit I am enjoying the internecine battle going on in the Republican Party, especially the one over how to get minorities to like them.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 838

    Terry Thomas posted at 10:21 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012

    If Romney would have won someone could have posted exactly the same thing but swapped Democrat with Republican and Romney with Obama.

    My humble advice to the Democrat Party:
    You did not lose because you didn't spend.....

    Both parties have their share of loonies.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 7:28 am on Tue, Nov 13, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    I am certain now that mr/ms Moose is using the commie rhetoric as a stick to poke at the left wing here. Yes,
    communists exist, no doubt about that. But to label anyone, and everyone who may disagree with his/her far right agenda a commie is just funny and ridiculous.

    His/her comments are beyond the pale and should be taken for what they are, unsubstantiated and the
    rantings of a provocateur..

     
  • backlash posted at 5:49 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Terry Thomas : Very good post.

    Moose. Why do conservatives who have such disdain for people taking our tax dollars that they do not deserve do conservatives not try to block any implementation or legislation that attempts to stop banks and Wall Street from from ripping us off. Like banks getting free money from the FED and then they are allowed to loan it back to us at interest. Allow loopholes that cost us hundreds of billions. Why did conservatives promote outsourcing?

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:21 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    And there ya have it folks. It wasn't the useless platform and detail-less programs of the republican party. It wasn't the constant flip slops or lack of specifics. It wasn't poor candidates.

    IT WAS NEGATIVE ADVERTISING !!

    So says MF Sagle.

    Well I guess that answers that !

    Wow !

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 10:21 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    My humble advice to the Republican Party:
    You did not lose because you didn't spend enough money. You did not lose because you didn't get to all the states often enough. You did not lose because your ground plan was weak.
    You lost because most of those people who have spoken were the very people you either ignored, insulted or viewed as unimportant.
    You lost because you allowed the crazies to hijack your once-honorable party, and when those radical, ignorant politicians and pundits spouted hateful, uninformed, racial and misogynistic rhetoric, none of you stood up and called them on it - which only made the rest of you look bad.
    Look, I know you don't like Obama for a variety of reasons, but he's not the Antichrist that some of your zealots believe.
    Distance yourself from the radicals who are giving you a bad name and really, sincerely, try to work across that aisle. Not for yourselves or your own agenda but for us - remember us? We the people? For our country. For America.
    Never before has the phrase "we need to work together" been more important.
    The future of our nation depends on it.

     
  • backlash posted at 9:36 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Moose: For you to complain about ad hominem attacks is unbelievably hypocritical as that is all you do here on the blog and that is to call people names or make remarks about their stupidity. The only exception is when you extol your own extraordinary intellectual powers which is really a disguised way of attacking someone by saying: "see how smart I am". (subtext your stupid)

    Mike: "Lastly, your definition of “chickenhawk” aptly fits Obama, who plays golf while our soldiers fight and die. At least as president, Bush swore off golf out of respect for our warriors. What has Obama done to show his solidarity? He sends out form letters to the parents of our fallen signed with an autopen.

    chickenhawk could apply to Obama. As I understand it, General Patreaus was told to send Obama three plans, one minimal, one moderate and one maximum plan and was stonewalled by the general for
    9 months and the excuse was the other plans were not ready. It was the last attempt to resurrect
    the neocon dreams that we could occupy a country and make it over in our own image as the Soviet
    Union was no longer a super power. We would then have not only a new customer but permanent bases and access to their natural resources. (Iraq Oil and Afghanistan's lithium)

    Bush lied us into a Neocon War which has cost 6,000 of our sons and daughters, maimed 30,000
    more along with destroying the economy. But he gave up golf! Whoopee! How magnanimous!


     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:35 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Dave, that's not tired, that's whipped.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 9:01 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 838

    Mike, Moose, Dawg,

    I've grown tired of arguing with these mental Lilliputians but I appreciate your efforts.

     
  • Timmie posted at 8:59 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    I love this! "There's nothing wrong with us, it's everyone else who voted wrong that needs to change". Your voice is getting softer and softer as you recede further into self-imposed irrelevance.

    just so you understand .... the President WON Florida ..

    Final Electoral count: "332" for Obama 206 for Romney
    (remember when George Jr said "286" gave him capital)

    Popular vote

    Barack Obama Obama 61,678,507
    50.5%
    Mitt Romney Romney 58,482,074
    47.9%
    maybe next time you'll pay attention, but then again, paying
    attention is NOT one of your attributes, is it ..?

    Some people need an enemy in order to justify their fears and righteous anger never realizing that their fear and anger come from with-in, not outside of them.

     
  • Timmie posted at 8:36 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    And you think you're objective.??

    What a laugh.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:32 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey, you got anything from the NYT, Wash Post, major TV networks, CNN? How about Fox?

    Here's a reliable mainstream media story that suggests you're a little off kilter, kind of like Allen West.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0406/Why-is-Glenn-Beck-leaving-his-Fox-News-show

    Who can doubt the Christian Science Monitor?

     
  • Timmie posted at 5:30 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Beck lost

    You lost

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 12:35 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    And you must be so very smart because you think you are. Let's see, millions of people still tune into Beck, and Bob writes on a blog attended by maybe a dozen or so people.... who I'm sure are all impressed by his liberal opinions and vast knowledge of everything.....said the 1/2 empty glass of whiskey.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/liberals-falsely-claim-fox-news-dumped-glenn-beck

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:10 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Oh, Mikey, I had no idea you were so gullible. No wonder you swallow all the stuff you seem to believe. It boggles the mind. Do you ever apply any critical thought to anything?

    I guess I can't call you Sage any more. How about Mark, as in easy mark?

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:49 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Wynipedia claims: "Beck got dumped by Fox." And this coming from one who mocks others for not being as 'informed' as he.

    Beck and Fox are parted ways because Beck had too much power and Fox couldn't control him. Beck had strong ratings—and they remained strong for a 5PM show ubntil its conclusion. But Fox likes to wield absolute control over their stars. Beck, whose office was outside the Fox building, and whose many media holdings put him on track to become a media mogul in his own right, had increasingly grown outside of their control. His investments in his own website, The Blaze, and other areas of his ever-expanding multimedia empire suggested he was contemplating leaving Fox, which was a mutual decision.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 2:32 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Bush gave up golf, he never said he was giving up vacations - no sane person does, but it’s not as though the Obama’s are ever deprived of vacations, correct? So what exactly has Mt. Grateful ever sacrificed to show his gratitude for our warriors?
    Hours after he learned of the Benghazi massacre, he takes off to Vegas for some fund raising.
    Then after the election, instead of tending to the millions suffering through the Sandy situation, he takes off for Thailand. Could he possibly get any further away from the hard work that needs to be done
    right right now and right here at home? two words: Where's Waldo?

    http://dustinstockton.com/2012/08/obama-send-autopenned-form-letters-to-families-of-fallen-seals-in-between-rounds-of-golf/

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_gave_up_golf_in_solidarity_0514.html

     
  • Timmie posted at 12:32 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "Obama, who plays golf while our soldiers fight and die."


    I suppose cutting brush in Texas was ok ?

    Get real.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 12:08 pm on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 838

    Lash,

    The Chicken Hawk argument would only apply to someone who dodged the draft at a young age, then favored sending draftees to a subsequent war after he was past the draft age AND the wars were equally necessary, or the one he dodged the draft for was more necessary than the later one. For example, a WW2 draft dodger who later voted to send draftees to Viet Nam might rightly be considered a Chicken Hawk, since most people think WW2 was a more necessary war than Viet Nam. Just because someone opposes a war when he is at draft age and later favors a different war doesn't make him a chicken hawk since two wars are never the same. Furthermore we no longer have the draft, so everyone in harms way has volunteered to be there. Nowadays the chicken hawk argument would be like calling someone who is in favor of law and order but had never been a cop a chicken hawk because he didn't serve as a cop when he was younger, or you can't be in favor of the space program if you've never been an astronaut, or you can't favor abortions unless you've had one. So it rather limits the number of subjects we can have opinions on, doesn't it? It's just another way the left tries to silence people who disagree with them.

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:46 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    You lost

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:45 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    You lost

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:45 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    You lost

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:49 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Wow Lash- how clever and original you are to use my idea. In school they call that “cheating.” But the problem is that you have listed war dead, and I listed people who died needlessly due to the cover-ups involving the incredible ineptness of the Obama administration, i.e. Fast & Furious and Benghazi.
    Wars are never morally justified but we have had them for thousands of years and will continue having them until humanity reaches enlightenment. And you blame Bush for that! But the deaths I listed were unnecessary and solely due to the egregious and self serving ERRORS of our “leaders.”

    Secondly, I find your use of our war dead as a pawn in your argument repulsive and repugnant, esp. on Veterans day. And I have never “been at bat” so don’t try to blame me, junior- I’m not pro-war, and I certainly didn’t make the decision to send 30,000 troops over there as Obama did. Besides, how many of our fallen are the result of Obama’s wars? Hello? I know you're really smart and all, but how many times do I have to tell you that I'm not a Republican? I'll type very slowly this time so read carefully:
    I'M AN INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE. Perhaps you should write it down so you don't forget again.

    Lastly, your definition of “chickenhawk” aptly fits Obama, who plays golf while our soldiers fight and die. At least as president, Bush swore off golf out of respect for our warriors. What has Obama done to show his solidarity? He sends out form letters to the parents of our fallen signed with an autopen.

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_gave_up_golf_in_solidarity_0514.html

    http://dustinstockton.com/2012/08/obama-send-autopenned-form-letters-to-families-of-fallen-seals-in-between-rounds-of-golf/

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey, I'm sure you can fill the rest of your glass with all those crocodile tears.

    Have you forgotten the great recession, 5,000 lives wasted in Iraq, the tax cuts and other cause of our deficits and debt? How about 9/11? Seems to me that was on the last Republican president's watch. Oh, by the way, where is he. Is he back from the Cayman Islands yet? I understand he was down there telling rich people how to shelter more of their money. No wonder Romney lost, all his voters were out of the country.

    Happy days are here again!

     
  • backlash posted at 6:41 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Mike:
    Here is partial list of what we lost last time you were at bat and does not include tens of thousands
    of maimed and trillions of dollars and a bigger mess than the day we started it. Family members
    devastated forever! Based on lies to prove their Theory of a "New American Century"
    Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone
    else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal
    experience with war: most emphatically when that lack of experience
    came in spite of ample opportunity in that person's youth.


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  • mike from sagle posted at 1:32 am on Sun, Nov 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Bob claims: “America didn’t lose anything.”

    U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens
    U.S. Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith
    U.S. embassy security personnel Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.
    U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry
    Al-Qaida is rebuilding in Iraq
    America now $16 trillion dollars in debt
    23 million Americans out of work
    47 million Americans on food stamps
    American's debt is greater than its GDP

    Have fun with your "glass ½ full" analogy

     
  • Buddha posted at 7:34 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Buddha Posts: 77

    A loser calling it a loss - classic. You must be one of those 'Real Americans'.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 3:21 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    You're right Frank, I'm a glass half full guy.

    Mikey, America didn't lose anything. I guess your a glass half empty guy.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 2:12 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Bob et al lefties- why is it that you believe America’s loss is your gain, or that such a ‘victory’ gives your usual mixture of banal, sophomoric insults and fractured rhetoric any more credibility than it had prior to the election? This is the same kind of mistaken thinking which leads gullible people into a life-long gambling habit due to one win. That one win sends them soaring…flying about the room like a party balloon quickly deflating while making that pflt plft plft plft sound. It’s mildly amusing to witness the first few times, but after a while, it’s like enduring the halitosis prone and always drunk uncle who keeps telling the same story over and over. Trying to find a weak point in a post for use in summarily dismissing the author is a sophomoric tactic and falls on the floor rapidly, yet you still try it again and again.
    Please enjoy your victory for all it has changed- the Democrat WH and Sebnate now face the seriousness of many problems they have either neglected or exacerbated. The chickens WILL come home to roost, and no one, absolutely no one, is immune from that folksy bit of wisdom.
    Benghazi is falling apart faster than they can grab the pieces, and people are going to prison for the needless deaths of four Americans. Exactly who will fall probably has a lot to do with who lied to us about it and why. I wonder what the Ladbrokes odds are of the current administration surviving this.

     
  • LawrenceFury posted at 12:06 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    LawrenceFury Posts: 717

    Google: "The Bionic Wrench" and you will see one reason the Republican rightists are so full of the old you know what and why on reason that Romney lost. His claim about creating 12 million? new jobs. Something invented here, manufactured here that produced 31 U.S. jobs. Then Sears, (Craftsman), copies the tool, making a few tweaks and has them made in China, cancels it's contract with the patent owner, those 31 Americans jobs, LOST!

     
  • Frank's posted at 12:05 pm on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Frank's Posts: 308

    Bob,

    You and I recognize the reality of politics in the new America but from two
    different points of view. I see it as a great tragedy, and you see it as a great
    moment in American history.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:48 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Whoops! Donald Trump has more cachet than Glenn Beck.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:25 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    You've got to be kidding Moose. Glenn Beck? Did you notice the dates on his BS?

    Donald Trump has more cache than Glenn Beck.

    And you wonder why I challenge your intelligence.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:31 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Frank, you hit the nail on the head. But there's one more element to the Republicans' struggle.

    They have thrived by playing on the white voter's fear of the other, demonizing the minorities. It's simply a facet of the Southern strategy, which is now clearly a failure.

    What Republicans need to do is abandon most conservative social issues and focus on conservative financial solutions to our problems. Those are the only things they have left that might sell. They can't disparage minorities and expect to be elected.

    I've heard it said that the Republican Party of 1865 was the greatest political party in our history. Why? Maybe there's a lesson in that.

     
  • backlash posted at 10:21 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    dawgshepherd posted at 8:29 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    "punitive regulatory enforcement crippling business and and job creation." ?????????

    They were not punitive enough at least in banking, people should have gone to jail and they continue to rip us off and Republicans will fight any effort to reign them in. They control and manipulate many commodities which includes oil and we pay twenty percent more at the pump. (every time you
    you fill up at the pump you are paying Wall Street and the banks $10-$20

    Deregulation in banking and Wall Street caused more capital destruction
    than Obama's deficit. The criminals that caused it made billions on the way up as they created the
    bubble. Then as they knew the bubble was going to burst bet against it while telling investors to keep buying and they made billions on the way down. Then they said " gosh know one could have seen it
    coming (even while betting it would happen) we need a bailout to save the worlds financial system."
    They got the money and again made billions on the way up with our tax dollars and paid themselves
    mega bonuses.

    High fuel prices cripple business and job creation. So does outsourcing promoted by conservatives.
    If predictions, insight and forecasting were a college course Republicans and conservatives would get a F-.

    SO CONSERVATIVE PREDICTIONS DO NOT FRIGHTEN US AS WE LISTEN TO FACTS NOT
    THE VOICES IN THE ECHO, ECHO, ECHO, ECHO CHAMBER, CHAMBER, CHAMBER, ROMNEY
    BY A LANDSLIDE, LANDSLIDE, LANDSLIDE, LANDSLIDE.
    Now we hear they just want stuff-Democrats used voter discrimination-

     
  • Frank's posted at 9:55 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Frank's Posts: 308

    Open borders have transformed America.

    On Tuesday, Obama carried six of the most populous states, Pennsylvania,
    Illinois, California, New York, Ohio and Florida, to victory.

    Romney carried only one of the most populous states, Texas, where whites
    are now the minority and where the Democrat Party will soon overtake the
    Republicans.

    The Democrat Party now controls the electoral college vote.

    On Tuesday, Romney received 59 percent of the white vote and lost, while
    Obama received 71 percent of the Hispanic vote and an overwhelming majority
    of the black and Asian vote and won.

    Demography is destiny.

    “Again it needs be said. When the country looks like California demographically, it
    will look like California politically. Republicans are not whistling past the graveyard.
    They are right at the entrance.” Pat Buchanan


     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:49 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Dave, you aren't paying attention. Last week when the BLS announced the addition of 171,000 jobs, they also announced an adjustment of the August and September numbers that added 84,000 to the totals. That's 4.5 million jobs in the last 32 months. It's also 32 consecutive months of job growth. Obama has only been president for 45 months. That's over 70% of his presidency. So, for 70% of his presidency, this country has increased employment, and all that without housing construction.

    Mitt Romney talked of producing 12 million new jobs during his first term. He wasn't going out on a limb. He knew that mainstream economists were predicting 12 million new jobs over the next four years.

    So if you think bad things are on the horizon, just hold your fire until you can see the whites of their eyes.

     
  • reddawn posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    President Obama is a Babtist Christian, where have some of these folks got such bad enformation. It seems that they just will never learn. I said never learn![sad]

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 8:29 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605

    This whole liberal/progressive agenda will now accelerate at breakneck speed. They humiliated our greatest hero and military mind, now they will keep him from testifying on the Benghazi meltdown massacre which should have been avoided. The debt ceiling chaos debate will now be presented as being obstructed by the Red House and the wonderful president has tried everything to reach compromise but is being stalled by far right zealots bent on interrupting his fabulously fair and balanced solutions. This place will not survive another four years of this spending and punitive regulatory enforcement crippling business and and job creation. The value of our dollar and our credit rating will decline as inflation rises and the price of everythig starts to get out of reach for the poor. The cards are dealt and we have little choice but to watch the scenario of self-destruction unfold.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 8:03 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 838

    Hard times are coming children, and it will give me no satisfaction to say I told you so when it happens. Obama's solution is to kick the can down the road and hope it won't happen on his watch, or if it does he can still blame Bush. But go ahead and celebrate your victory you little cherubs. All together now, " The sun'll come out tomorrow …. tempo Timmie, tempo! … bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow …

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:16 am on Sat, Nov 10, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Moose, I think you should take a lesson from Mikey. You haven't shown much in the way of intelligence or wisdom. Listening and study might be your path toward enlightenment.

    I have great respect for moose, they are magnificent animals. But, they are often perceived as slow witted and slow moving, a stereotype that you should heed.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:20 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey, you've already shown how little you know. There is no need to reinforce that lesson. I would suggest you spend more time reading and listening. You'll learn a whole lot more than you will by exposing your shortcomings.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:10 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    sure Bob- Obama has done such a good job so far, why should we expect anything different?

    He promised he could cut the debt in half and he instead doubled it. So that means by 2016 our debt will be
    $32 trillion. Of course he will spend a lot of that on entitlement programs and more green jobs debacles to pay off his campaign contributors as he did in his first term. I think we can count on him being consistent.

    I'm glad you think Benghazi is just some speed bump that will fade away as a fiscal crisis looms, but the parents of our men who were massacred are not likely feeling as detached as you obviously appear to be, nor are the Congressmen who have vowed to pursue this matter. Too bad you and your crystal ball didn't see this coming so you could have warned those people and prevented some horrible deaths.

     
  • reddawn posted at 6:31 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    Every day myself and all of my friends wake up with a smile. We are so happy President Obama won. We all got togather and spoke how Americans cant be lied to, that 47% speech that Mr Romney gave, along with no tax returns for years and swinging showed us all , who is this Man. I wish Romney all the best with his life and family. Now lets watch Congress. John dont blow it, it will cost this country and the Republican party forever. Lets go back to the Clinton days, thats what we want. We voted, we spoke, hear what Americans wants. They dont have a lot of time to get things going. They are asking right now to keep the middle income tax breaks now, just sign it, or will they again hold us hostage. If they do we might have to fall, we can no longer alow the bullies in Congress to keep America moving forward. Are you all willing to let us fall? Bob what would happen if Congress doesnt move and we did let this country fall. The cliff,

     
  • Jason Benell posted at 3:32 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Jason Benell Posts: 344

    Your mention of Steve King wounds me, Bob, but is 100% accurate. People like them need to go, the anti-intellectualism of the GOP needs to go, the theocracy, revision, jingoism, exceptionalism, all needs to go.

    The Dems aren't the answer to all of our problems, but the GOP is the cause of most.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 3:05 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey, as we approach the fiscal cliff, Benghazi is going to recede into the background.

    The next four years of success by Barack Obama is going to push the Rs so far out of the mainstream, they are going to be looking for votes with a flashlight. They have proven that not only can they not lead, they can't convince anyone that they are worthy of reasonable consideration.

    But, at least they gave up on Joe Walsh and Allen West. With those two off the stage they won't look as batcrap crazy as they have. Now all you have to do is get rid of Steve King, Paul Broun, Virginia Foxx, Phil Gingrey and Jim DeMint and people might sit up and take notice. Good luck with that.

    How is it possible, with high unemployment, high debt and deficits that the Rs couldn't win? The table was set for them, only they couldn't find a candidate with any real credibility. Maybe you should have run Ron Paul.

    Face it, the Rs have a fork in them, they are done. It saddens me to say that, who am I going to find to make political bets with?

     
  • backlash posted at 1:16 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Nixon is left of Obama and Obama is right of his base. So Obama should attack Iran and do what
    Clinton did and join the Trickle Down Supply Side Economist s and promote globalization and more NAFTA
    type trade agreements and outsourcing. Spend trillions more on defense to keep us from falling over the fiscal cliff. The terrorists can hit us already as I hate to even use the word: (dirty bomb" which would almost create more problems that a real bomb as all would be survivors and need attention.

    Do you not get it that Obama did not make the mess, this is a mini depression not your normal
    simple recession and you can not cut the people on the bottom enough to balance the budget.
    Tax breaks have not proven to be a job creating mechanism, possibly when the economy is running smoothly but not now they just stuff it away .
    Conservatives like snake oil salesmen of the past say everything: "tax cuts will cure everything!"

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 12:39 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Benghazi is not going away, a fiscal cliff of doom is approaching, GM is failing again, Iran is shooting at us while they finish their nuke, 23 million people still out of work, and liberals think they have 'won' something. If the last four years are any taste of what's to come in the next four- you asked for it- you got it. Congratulations.

    There is one glimmer of hope in this disaster involving Obama turing towards the center (as did Clinton)
    in order to secure his legacy. The kind of character Obama has repeatedly revealed indicates he doesn't care about his base, so it is pretty clear he will be more concerned about his legacy. We'll see.

     
  • backlash posted at 10:16 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Amen!

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:37 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Jon Stewart had an interesting take on the election last night. He thinks Obama blew it. He suggests that Obama took a dive in the first debate in an attempt to get out from under doing a Thelma and Louise over the fiscal cliff with John Boehner. It's possible that Romney outsmarted everyone and dodged the bullet.

    Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 9:09 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    BobW: I think you may have the presumed lineup going in (with the addition of Jeb Bush who would draw more centrists that Rubio), but I think the self-delusion machine will spin so hard that Christie will get pitched out of Presidential consideration before mid-terms.

     
  • Timmie posted at 8:36 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Where's Old Cop ?

    For some reason he seemed to have disappeared right after the election.

     
  • Timmie posted at 8:34 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Moderator..Thanks

    Moderator says he will remove racist comments and low and behold a comment by the moose has been removed,

    Coincidence ? Nope.

     
  • Moderator99 posted at 7:38 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Moderator99 Posts: 5

    Guys the racial slurs regardless of what race they are directed at have to stop.

    The next time I see it I will ban the user.

    Thanks in advance for your understanding.

    And yes I will be going through all of the posts and deleting any I may have missed.

     
  • Timmie posted at 6:44 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    After Mitt realized he lost, It must have felt like some stranger coming in and telling you that you no longer had a job and that your company had been bought out and that all the jobs were going to China.

    What goes around comes around.

    Buh Bye Mitt

     
  • Timmie posted at 6:42 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    I think the problem for the GOP was crystallized last election, unwittingly by a comment by Sarah Palin. She made an off-the-cuff comment about 'real Americans' - by which she seemed to imply white, Christian people who do not live on the coasts are the 'real Americans' and other people are somehow un-American.

    Newsflash: Latinos, Blacks, People who live on the eastern seaboard, Gay people, College Students, Non-Christians, Asians, Californians are REAL AMERICANS. And their vote counts just as much as a white christian from Kentucky.

    Better start appealing to them too, because you can only get so far if you only appeal to white evangelical suburbanites.

     
  • Timmie posted at 6:39 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    you are a funny person

     
  • Timmie posted at 6:38 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    and you'll get the same results next election. Good luck with the hate spreading it will get you nowhere.

     
  • backlash posted at 5:34 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    What happened to the Republican Party is they became so insulated that they could not even conceive
    that they could possibly lose. They gave predictions off the charts with no data to back it up because
    at some point self-confidence which is good, became wrong headed arrogance!

    Military Industrial Complex Does not exist
    Global Warming does not exist
    Corporate control of our government does not exist
    Deregulation has not caused any harm such as in banking.
    War on drugs is not an expensive sham
    Lower taxes will always bring in more revenue
    Privatized prisons are good, privatized everything is good
    More military is good

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 12:09 am on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Not so fast Sylkie. Ladbrokes has Paul Ryan at 5-1 as the Republican nominee in 2016. Rubio is next at 6-1 and Christie is 8-1.

    Mikey is 1,000,000-1, a better bet than a Power Ball ticket. I'm sure Mikey thinks he's qualified. If we work hard, a $100 bet would be worth the effort to push him to the nomination. He certainly fits the profile. Then Hillary can dash his ambitions.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 10:42 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    The next election Presidential election will be even closer than this one. We have a world of carefully crafted media environment that is neither red nor blue but completely green. It is a marketing zoo that knows every single thing about every one of us and know perfectly well that there is no margin in selling to peaceful, agreeable people who like calm, fact-based discussions of relevant issues. If there were, we would have Charlie Rose on every channel every night. Instead we get this completely false left-right cockfighting, whipped up by cable news and too many bloggers pretending to be journalists. The whole discussion of demographics is just plain insulting and patently racist to my mind, no matter which side is producing it. Putting the photogenic Marco Rubio out in front of the same retreaded tripe we have seen as platform from the Republican will convince very few Hispanics to overlook the issues. Saying that Southern white people such as myself, with families, serious jobs, college education and with very conservative personal habits MUST support Republicans is the kind of shallow thinking that comes from selling soap, not political philosophy. It sees what it wants to see, not what is. Only suckers vote based on ethnicity or gender or region or religion, but those are the laziest pitches to make, so expect at whole lot more of it.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:19 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    thanks for the great bumper sticker idea, Lash. I'm going to have one made up to see how it looks:

    VOTE DEMOCRAT-THEY AREN'T PERFECT AND AREN'T NUTS EITHER

    Have to admit it's got a nice ring, and is practically believeable....well, um... at least it's got a nice ring

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:35 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    hi Jim

     
  • backlash posted at 8:34 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    VOTE DEMOCRAT WE MIGHT NOT BE PERFECT BUT WE ARE NOT NUTS!

    You believe in so many things by only listening to people like Rush and Fox.

    That you would win by a landslide

    That trickle down economics, deregulation, globalization works and like your polling there is virtually
    no evidence.

    Global warming or climate change doe not exist on and on.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:15 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Moose- actually appreciate your scrutinizing rd because the more she writes, the more those little jabs of Bob's about conservatives looking dumb ricochet. If you simply read down this thread, it's easy for all to see which side the goobers gravitate towards and prove without doubt that "liberalism is a mental disorder."

    This election is not about a victory, it is about progressives "fundamentally transforming America." hello?
    One of the things this election proved was that we are finally over the tipping point- there are more takers than makers. There is only one destination for such an economy- see Greece.

    Was listening the Jason Chavitz talking today about Congress not letting up a bit on Benghazi
    http://pjmedia.com/blog/benghazi-in-the-eyes-of-congress-every-day-they-cover-this-up-it-gets-worse/

    btw, you know you're trailer trash if....
    -Your house moves but your twelve cars don't.
    -You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.
    -You can entertain yourself for more than 15 minutes with a fly swatter.
    -Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years.
    -You burn your yard rather than mow it.
    -You think "The Nutcracker" is something you do off the high dive.
    -The Salvation Army declines your furniture.
    -You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don't want it.
    -You have the local taxidermist on speed dial.
    -You come back from the dump with more than you took.
    - You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table.
    - Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat.
    - Your grandmother has "ammo" on her Christmas list.
    -You keep flea and tick soap in the shower.
    -You've been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.
    - You go to the stock car races and don't need a program.
    -You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.
    -You have a rag for a gas cap.
    -Your house doesn't have curtains, but your truck does.
    -You wonder how service stations keep their rest-rooms so clean.
    -You can spit without opening your mouth.
    -You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it.
    -Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
    -You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say "Cool Whip" on the side.
    -The biggest city you've ever been to is Wal-Mart.
    -Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.
    -You've used your ironing board as a buffet table.
    -A tornado hits your neighborhood and does $100,000 worth of improvements.
    -You've used a toilet brush to scratch your back.
    -You missed your 5th grade graduation because you were on jury duty.
    -You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65.
    -You let your twelve-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table . . . in front of her kids.
    -You've been married three times and still have the same in-laws.
    -You think a woman who is "out of your league" bowls on a different night.
    -Jack Daniels makes your list of "most admired people."
    -You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean.
    -Anyone in your family ever died right after saying: "Hey watch this."
    -You think Dom Perignon is a Mafia leader.
    -Your wife's hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan.
    -Your junior prom had a daycare.
    -You think the last words of the Star Spangled Banner are: "Gentlemen start your engines."
    -You lit a match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off its wheels.
    -The bluebook value of your truck goes up and down, depending on how much gas is in it.
    -You have to go outside to get something from the fridge.
    -One of your kids was born on a pool table.
    -You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the House of Tattoos.
    -You can't get married to your sweetheart because there's a law against it.
    -You think "loaded dishwasher" means your wife is drunk.
    -Your toilet paper has page numbers on it.
    -Your front porch collapses and kills more than five animals.
    -At some point in your life you've been too drunk to fish.
    -The Halloween pumpkin on your porch has more teeth than your spouse.


     
  • Buddha posted at 7:55 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Buddha Posts: 77

    Ah, whattsa matta Mikey - 'you don't like it'?

    Reality check - GOP is done, kaput, without a future. Your ilk is the new minority (angry old white men) and they are dying off quick. Times have changed and you and yours are being left behind.

    You want to know something hilarious regarding your welfare comment? Here is a list of the top 20 welfare states listed in billions. Notice anything about the list?

    New Mexico: $2.03
    Mississippi: $2.02
    Alaska: $1.84
    Louisiana: $1.78
    West Virginia: $1.76
    North Dakota: $1.68
    Alabama: $1.66
    South Dakota: $1.53
    Kentucky: $1.51
    Virginia: $1.51
    Montana: $1.47
    Hawaii: $1.44
    Maine: $1.41
    Arkansas: $1.41
    Oklahoma: $1.36
    South Carolina: $1.35
    Missouri: $1.32
    Maryland: $1.30
    Tennessee: $1.27
    Idaho: $1.21

    That's right Mikey - 75% went Red in 2012. What's even funnier is that they are to stupid to even know they are shooting themselves in the foot by listening to foxgop's hate and lies.

     
  • backlash posted at 5:51 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    MIKE YOUR HATE WAS THERE BEFORE OBAMA EVEN TOOK OFFICE. WHY????

    Conservatives while saying liberals are the haters all they-you do and your fellow conservatives
    is spew hate 24-7 which skews your thinking. Obama may have approached fixing the economy
    in a wrong way but possibly not. He is not Satan and your fellow conservatives lost because
    they see the seething anger and hate and nothing done in a constructive way. You guys are
    paying for your anger... "JUST A BUNCH OF OLD ANGRY WHITE MEN" (plus Cain and West)

    The economy was ruined before Obama was in office!

    Turns out viewing politics through the filter of hate severely limits your vision (Media Matters)

    So let’s see exactly WHAT you ‘won’

    An ever growing $16 trillion dollar debt. Thats what it cost to try and fix the wreckage left behind!

    A ten year war in Afghanistan. Romney wanted forces there on a permanent basis.

    23 million people out of work. . When Obama took over millions of jobs outsourced ten thousand
    companies sent to China encouraged by the right wing Chamber of Commerce. We were loosing
    800,000 jobs per month and Obama is not a magician.

    GM near a second bankruptcy. . Why save the American Auto Industry

    47 million people on welfare. Bush added as many as Obama. This recession was about to be a depression and every economist and politician said so! Ryan begged for government money to save America!


    A country more divided than ever. Thanks to the conservative mind set, being nice to the president is considered bad and compromise is a cardinal sin

    Solyndra, Sunpower, et al. We will need sun power and Climate Change is upon us. The conservative view
    is as accurate as FOX RIGHTWING POLLING

    The Fast & Furious deaths. OBAMA should have personally been there with his AR-15

    The Beghazi massacre. Nit picking fool ( no country many thousand miles away as ever launched a successful raid in as short a time span as would have been needed) How many calls for more security
    happen, very likely.


    A ‘leader’ who will continue making things even worse. WRONG LIKE FOX PUNDIT'S PREDICTIONS
    When you are not reality based you begin to believe your own B.S.

     
  • Frank's posted at 3:25 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Frank's Posts: 308

    I believe I was the only one who mentioned that demography is destiny.
    I stated that W was the last Republican president and that the
    Republican Party would become a regional political party instead of
    a national party in the new America. I posted articles by Pat Buchanan,
    and others that factually supported my position. I knew Romney had little
    chance of winning the presidency in the new America and said so.

    The day after Romney’s defeat the main stream media and Fox News
    became fixated on the demography of the new America.

    O’Reilly and others are now saying the Republican Party has to adjust to this new reality.


    Because of Romney’s defeat to a far left president who nearly wrecked the economy and
    and of the recognition of the demographic changes in America, I’m anticipating the Republican Party to move further to the left and to run non-European candidates of Hispanic heritage and women. However, this strategy will not save the Republican Party, which is doomed as a political movement in the new America, because the emerging majority of Third World immigrants always will regard the Republican Party as the political power of the old white-male order.

    Next for Obama, will be the Supreme Court and the end of our constitutional rights.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 1:39 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295


    Obama learned the most important lesson in retail politics: if you can get a voter to give you $10, you will have their heart. Romney learned that if they give you a million, they will own your soul.

    Where is all this "shameless gloating?" Are the winners supposed to apologize? In this case, the losers aught to apologize to their billionaire sponsors for being bad at both polling and substance. All I see from the Democrats is a relief that it is over and that it is now time to get back to work on the budget issue. The government is still effectively controlled by the Republicans: the Supreme Court is still red as can be, the Boehner House, and the filibustering minority in the Senate means they still control the Ways and Means and have primary responsibility for tax policy.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 12:53 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey, what can I say. I stand with a bunch of winners with their eyes wide open, along with their minds.

    But, I must say, your side has a fine set of boobs.

     
  • reddawn posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    You are right Terry, with a all time low of 11% approve of Congress they will have to do what is best for Americans. Two years from now if they dont, we all are aware they are gone. I will give them a chance. Then our President needs to share what possitive things are going on, he is not one to brag, however it might be time to share more information with us. I saw many Republicans backing Obamacare, the tea party NOT. So lets hope the Republicans get in the now and move forward and stop living in the past. With alot of the tea party gone from the Senate taken by Women, I have no question in my mind the Senate will do well. Congress , lets see if they learned a lesson.

     
  • Jason Benell posted at 12:42 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Jason Benell Posts: 344

    Thanks Mike:)

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    @Bob "I'm trying to share with you an analysis of what makes you appear to be such big boobs."

    well while you're at it, Bob, you might want to take an inventory of your own numbers, which include reddawn, timmie, buddha, backlash, et al. Yea right, your side appears to be a huddle of giant intellects. Be proud!

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 12:30 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    So let’s see exactly WHAT you ‘won’
    An ever growing $16 trillion dollar debt. CONGRATULATIONS!
    A ten year war in Afghanistan. CONGRATULATIONS!
    23 million people out of work. . CONGRATULATIONS!
    GM near a second bankruptcy. . CONGRATULATIONS!
    47 million people on welfare. CONGRATULATIONS!
    A country more divided than ever. CONGRATULATIONS!
    Solyndra, Sunpower, et al. CONGRATULATIONS!
    The Fast & Furious deaths. CONGRATULATIONS!
    The Beghazi massacre. CONGRATULATIONS!
    A ‘leader’ who will continue making things even worse. CONGRATULATIONS!

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 11:15 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    The only election that matters now is the one two years from now -- where the job of Congressional Republicans will be at risk.

    They will now be forced to start working for the American people. We need more revenue, we need immigration reform, we need to reinvest in infrastructure, and we need rising incomes for the working class. We need educational opportunities for all Americans, so people actually have the opportunity to rise economically and support a family, raise their kids and buy a house in America.

    The Democrats need Republicans to make deals and craft legislation that benefit everybody and that benefit the whole. Budget cuts need to happen, tax reform (more revenue) needs to happen, immigration reform needs to happen, and the Dems can't do it by themselves.

    The American people sent a clear message that they want things to get done. Time for Congressional Republicans to now step up and do their jobs. The fact that their next election depends upon it gives me hope.

     
  • fatherof3 posted at 11:13 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    fatherof3 Posts: 62

    My gosh people grow up!!! Your bickering reminds me of my kids exclaming it's the other who is at fault. I'm not happy Obama was re-elected, but deal with it and move forward. Americans are resilient, so let's show some character, and handle the obstacles to come. If your not happy with your lot in life than take a good look in the mirror. You and you alone have the ability to change your position. The lack of class on here by certain posters sums up what is wrong with our society. Sore losers and lack of humility by the victors. How about being thankful for what you have?

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 10:53 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    I cannot say I would be a cordial winner had Romney won. I'd have rubbed it in too. I do enjoy reading the liberal minded posts, I hope their glee runs off into a vibrant economy. I am quite sure with liberalism vindicated and validated by tuesday's results, it will mean prosperity for all, where everyone has an equal shot on a level playing field, where Washington will look after us every day. What a warm feeling.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 9:52 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    How about this. The conservatives smugly believed that they had god on their side.

    God could care less.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 9:50 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    'In my case I overestimated the intelligence of the American voter.'

    WHAT AN INSENSITIVE THING TO SAY ABOUT REPUBLICANS.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 9:49 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    Might i suggest that it's because the Fox "news people" and "commentators" are not as intelligent as they think themselves to be.

    They seem to be armatures most of the time and just feed of the fears that they instill on the true believers who, by the way, are not that large a group. They may have people tuning in, but those who actually believe what Fox is selling is a smaller group than they think.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 9:44 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    [beam]

     
  • Jason Benell posted at 9:44 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Jason Benell Posts: 344

    It's one thing to be bummed Romney lost. I'd be bummed if Obama lost too. The thing is, I wouldn't blame everything under the sun or call the rest of America "idiots" for voting their way. I'd be disheartened but jeez guys, tone down the venom and doomsday stuff.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 9:43 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    Dawgshepard lost his friend America? As an American, let me say this: we wouldn't want to hold you back, so don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'! I hear the beaches in small-government Somalia are nice in the winter.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:31 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Dave, you did give me AN answer, but not THE answer.

    I suspect intelligence failures are so much a part of the fabric of your life that you can't see the forest for the trees. Don't you have any mirrors in your house?

    Here's an interesting quote from an 11/5 column by Adam McKay, " Voting for Romney after the train wreck of (sic) that was the eight years of W. Bush is like losing your pay check playing a rigged game of three-card monte and then playing the same game again a week later cause the cards are a different color." Once again, that thread of intelligence, even before the votes were counted.

     
  • Jason Benell posted at 9:24 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Jason Benell Posts: 344

    Sorry I've been out for so long. I was stuck at home pumping Republican Tears out of my house. Need some FEMA relief based on the amount coming from this forum.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 838

    As usual Bob you're in the weeds again. You asked why conservatives thought Romney would win and I gave you an answer. Now you're off on Fox news. Same old Bob.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:59 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Dave, Fox goes you one better. It wasn't a failure of intelligence, it was a moral failure.

    But, that's not even an issue here. The question is, why did Fox get it so wrong. How did they miss something that so many others could see so clearly? How did they take basic math and screw it up? And worse than that, after years of feeding their audience a constant diet of BS, their audience continued to eat it up in a frenzy of wishful thinking. Why?

    When will Fox consumers decide it's time to stand on their own without the pablum of misinformation? What's happened to shame and embarrassment. Even Dick Morris has had an epiphany. I doubt it was last into next week, but we take what we can get.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 8:23 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605

    Dover Dave, great post...couldn't have put it into words any better...

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 7:58 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 838

    Bob, to answer your 7:16pm post, in which you ask why conservatives thought Romney would win:

    In my case I overestimated the intelligence of the American voter.

    The issue for me, the one that eclipses all others, is the national debt. If we don't get a handle on it all the other "issues" will be inconsequential, and I think Romney had a much better chance of addressing it than Bronco Bama. But it's much more cost effective to get the stupid vote; it doesn't cost as much per vote to be Santa Claus or invent a "war on women" or some other fake issue that will garner just enough votes to win the election. Meanwhile the iceberg looms. I don't know if Romney could have turned the shop before the collision because it's a massive ship with a small rudder, but he had a much better chance than Obama. At least he and his team are adults and understand the problem. Meanwhile Obama is in a Santa Claus suit below decks, handing out shiny trinkets to squealing children.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 6:54 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    Romney cooked his own goose on the economy with his little fund-raising speech about not caring for about half of all Americans. Apart from all his flip-flops and pandering many voters were turned off by the thought of "how" he would run the economy. Sure he had expertise, but how his expertise would improve the lives of the middle class was always an open question. His attack on the auto bailout was especially damaging in the rust belt where he lost every state except for Indiana.

    The Republican Party has to come to grips with a variety of issues...as do the Democrats. Tokenism and spin are not going to counter the actions of Republicans officials all across the country if they continue to focus on protecting the favored tax status of the very wealthy, and deliberately offend ethnic minority voters in their efforts to win support from their base that is less and less a true representation of the voters in general elections.

     
  • backlash posted at 6:36 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    dawgshepherd Your post is insane! Republican's are the ones other than Ron Paul that
    do not want any any regulations to rein in our banker/Fed/Wall Street Complex that are ripping us off.
    Romney was the very epitome of a corporate raiding Vulture Capitalist who is close to bankers, Wall Street.

    Democratic dirty tricks? What take the extra machines out of Republican neighborhoods and put them back in poor neighborhoods so they don't have 8hr lines. Increase early voting perhaps? Maybe we could get a felons list from Texas and apply it to rich neighborhoods if someone has a name even remotely similar. We could do some gerrymandering like the Republicans did this year.

    You did not lose a good friend yesterday you lost hopefully corporate control of America and a slide into Fascism!

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 6:05 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605


    It was a sad day Tuesday for America and the world. It may be only a matter of time before the US Dollar is worthless due to the 85 billion the Fed prints every month. When the inflation goes wild, and the civil unrest begins in the major cities, say in 2 to 3 years, that will give O man the chance to call for Marshall Law, and there goes the Constitution and here comes Ronald Reagans "1000 years of darkness". The bankers have put their "clown" back in power to play the fool while they take what they want from the country, as they did during the Great Depression, and other recessions over the years.
    Where the Tea Party and the public has been "tolerated" for the past 4 years, there is now no reason to do so, except for what it looks like to the rest of the world. He has probably been studying all the "Arab spring" uprisings, the Syrian civil war and the human nature of the masses involved, so his minions will have an idea what to do when the unrest hits.
    Then you can guess at what kind of Democrat dirty tricks will be played on those they see as adversaries. With the main stream media not giving a rats you know what about telling the truth, these guys probably feel like they can do pretty much whatever they want.
    Go see "Hating Breitbart" at the local theatre. It is a great documentary that will leave you with the clearest picture yet of just how corrupt and left the national media is. They are probably on the DNC payroll!
    Lots of potential nasty scenarios. lets step back as a group, and get back out on the streets by the millions when the time is right.
    I really feel like like lost a good friend Tuesday. That friend was America.



     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:52 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    But Mikey, the difference between being a Bob and boob is more than just an "O". It's the difference between seeing things as they are and seeing things in some sort of fantasy world. Fox has lead you to the latter.

    Allowing yourself to be manipulated is something only children, simpletons or sycophants do. You should try to break out and find your own way. You will feel so much better.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 11:02 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    "losing a battle but not the war" is a SAYING- look under "A" in the dictionary for adage, allegory, analog, etc.
    Liberals will criticize Chirstain fundamentalists for taking things so literally, yet here we got the leftie nit pickers
    looking just the same for anything and everything to get their bony little fingers into. They might start with Obama equating a vote to "revenge."

    @Bob, funny you mention "big boobs" since your name is only 1 'o' from being one, and though there's nothing anyone can do about how people 'appear' to you, such mammalian protuberances are generally considered quite attractive & desirable.
    Hmmm....sounds like someone has been having some 'adventures' on the internet. [whistling]

     
  • captaindan posted at 10:14 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    captaindan Posts: 851

    This election came down to the simple evaluation of the character of the candidates. In 2008 the reps. nominated McCain and in 2012 you nominated Romney,Really that's the best you can do? Let me remind you, white males are no longer the majority. You failed to look at who america is today because your too busy looking in the mirror thinking "I'm the bomb" In both elections You not only lost,You got you Behind handed to you.Hillary is in line next, so please continue to nominated your dinosaurs and the dems will own the presidency untill 2025 !!

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:57 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey & friends, don't get me wrong, I'm not above gloating or braggadocio. But that's not what my 7:16 post was about. I'm trying to share with you an analysis of what makes you appear to be such big boobs.

    The world would be a better place if you could take away a positive lesson from the election. I can see from your responses that you are not too interested in a learning experience. I certainly should have expected that, but one always hopes things can change for the better.

    All I can ask is, think about it.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 9:06 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    It is so sad that Mike confuses the election process with "war". We have always had bought-in partisans, but straight ticket voting used to be considered an exception. But the sophisticated marketing and multi-media strategies are not forcing consensus but are sending both parties looking for the lowest-risk 50%+1 votes. It's one thing to disagree, even profoundly, but walking around with a personal hatred for MOST of your fellow countrymen for voting their own best interests in a democracy, that's got to burn.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:32 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    for our conservative patriot friends: we lost a battle but not the war, and the war will not be "won" until:
    1.we get real leadership back in power
    2.Americans go back to work
    3.the dollar regains it's value
    4.we get out of the crushing debt of Obamanomics
    5.once again regain our 3 star credit rating

    Then and only then will there be anything to gloat about.
    In the mean time, there is 2014 to consider.....just think 2010

     
  • backlash posted at 8:25 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Better a smart ass than a dumb elephant. [beam]

    mike from sagle posted at 1:20 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
    The Dems day of victory: the Dow dives 360 pts.

    That is good because it means the hedge fund managers and the speculators, banks and Wall Street
    have concluded they may have regulations that will not allow them to rip off the American public. Things
    like speculation of oil that makes us pay up to 20% more for fuel. Regulations that let credit card companies raise your interest rate to 30% because you have a library debt and you have never missed a payment. Insurance companies that deny you coverage even though you have been buying
    their insurance for decades but failed to tell them you had German Measles or some infection when you were thirteen. That in an effort to pay off the deficit they might have to pay 4% more. That some of their
    subsides and loopholes might be taken away. The firewall between Wall Street and the banks that cost us
    trillions might be put back and they would have to stop gambling and privatize their winnings and
    socializing their losses. People who own weapons manufacturing stocks realize that a serious look at the over blown defense budget will be looked at. Drug companies might have to sell into a free market. I myself pay $400 for two months of a medicine. In foreign countries it sells for under $30.

    Moose: Glad your not going away you Zombie Fascist, you are a walking cartoon of a redneck and it is so much fun to make fun of you. Like your brother (redneck politicians that gives Bill Maher so much material, one does not even need to edit it as it is so ridiculous on face value. Duh your all a bunch of commies! YIKES!

    Frank at least can tell the truth: “This is the last hurrah for the whites, is it not?” Bill Maher

    It is really the bottom line about race!

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:23 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    the shameless gloating I see here is no different than drunken sports fans shouting '"we won, we won"
    when they didn't do anything but observe the game being played out on the field, which is all this is. Now everyone is all 20-20 hindsight when they had absolutely no more of a clue than anyone else how the election would turn out. Romney showed real class by gracefully losing the race... while some liberals here are showing their ass in gloating. but what do they really have to gloat about? Nothing's changed: even the people who don't watch Fox still think they know the most about it.....which they clearly don't. Amercia is in the very same trouble she was before the election. So what exactly did you "win?" A $16 trillion dollar debt!!!

    @Bob- "there was ample information...to suggest that Obama would win reelection" Like what? The endless neck&neck polls? Or Obama's RECORD: record debt, record unemployment, record number of people on welfare, GM near bankruptcy again, or the $90 billion down the toilet into his cronies green jobs debacle?
    Or was it Fast & Furious? Or Benghazi? Maybe all the broken promises, like the one to "cut the debt in half"
    Face it- he won because of the freebies and the addl. milllions of people who are now depending on his social programs. He's not a leader, he's a campaigner, and Iran doesn't care about any campaign.

    "Obama is either an idiot or he's trying to destroy the American economy"-- Vlad Putin
    "Tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility after the election"-- Barack Obama

    Yea, you 'won' alright.
    Yea, Obama "won" alright, but America and the Constitution took a major hit. Again.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:16 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Why did so many inhabitants of this website believe, sincerely I think, that Romney would win this election? There are two facets to my answer--first, despite serious considerations to the contrary, they wanted to believe. Secondly, that fervent desire was aided and abetted by the misinformation provided to the followers of Fox News. There is no clearer evidence that most of you follow and believe Fox News, people like Sean Hannity, Dick Morris, Karl Rove and even Bill O'Reilly. You even put Ann Coulter in a dog house for suggesting that Romney would lose.

    Clearly, there was ample information, from reliable sources, to suggest that Obama would win reelection. How did you allow yourselves to be disillusioned and misled? All I can say is--wishful thinking and Fox News. The best thing you can do to get you heads out of a dark place is turn off Rush Limbaugh and quit watching Fox News. Then maybe, just maybe, you will see reality as reality.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 6:07 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Really, Moose? That what you've got?

     
  • Frank's posted at 4:27 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Frank's Posts: 308

    “The night we waved goodbye to America… our last best hope
    on Earth” Peter Hitchens of the London Daily Mail

    “This is the last hurrah for the whites, is it not?” Bill Maher

     
  • MichaelN posted at 4:19 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    MichaelN Posts: 502

    @Timmie, I'm not depressed. I'm far from it. I am a realist and realize what I am going to have to do for the next few years in order to keep from getting depressed. I am a proud American and stand by my convictions, but America is not what it was 20 years ago and is headed in the wrong direction. Some might disagree with your statement about the greatest country. I once thought we were, but now I question it.

    Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K6m3Ua2nw

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:44 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    MichaelN; If you are paying 25% more you are getting taken. The cost of living has not gone up that much in 4 years. We followed Bush's failed policies and we are still here and we will be for a long long time. Things are, slowly getting better. We are recovering from the Bush mess.

    Your taxes MAY go up. It's not a certainty. It depends on whether or not the republicans make the deal. They are the ones who said no and pushed us closer to the so called "fiscal cliff" months ago.

    I'm not laughing at you. I just feel sorry for your lack of faith in the greatest country and the greatest people on earth.

    If you want to be depressed go right ahead. The rest of us will work to make this country a better place.

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:37 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Who said.....
    "I believe God WILL have mercy on us...tomorrow. More and more are seeing Romney with 300+ electoral votes, and Drudge's top story is about Steph Cutter et al telling the Obama campaign to "not panic over the early exit polls." In other words, they are preparing them for a staggering loss."
    Why it was MF Sagle.
    What happened MF Sagle ??
    300+ electoral votes.
    Your credibility is shot
    Nice try

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 3:37 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey blames the media. What I find so interesting was how far off the "fair and balanced" news outlet was. If there was ever any serious doubt about their agenda and their journalistic integrity, only the most partisan people will continue to buy what Fox is selling. Who would have thought than anyone could sell blatant misinformation and ignorance and make a fortune doing it.

    PT Barnum, you are truly a prescient rascal.

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:36 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Man am I glad I don't have the miserable outlook that you and other righties have. Life would be so bad that i wouldn't want to live anymore.

    How depressed can one be and still be considered breathing ?

     
  • MichaelN posted at 2:47 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    MichaelN Posts: 502

    @Timmie, you may be correct. I may not have faith in America anymore. It can, I do believe, be restored, but it is going to take a huge event to make it happen. As long as we keep following failed policy after failed policy, we are sure to fail. Four years ago, I paid about 25% less for the goods and services I need to run a household. After January, my taxes are due to go up. In March, hopefully my employer does not stop paying for a portion of my health insurance, although I couldn't blame them, otherwise, you guessed it, I'll be part of the problem, another family dependent on government to provide a service the government has no right to be involved in. Glad you can laugh at people who have pride in themselves. Call it doom and gloom. I call it reality.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 1:20 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    The Dems day of victory: the Dow dives 360 pts, another huge storm hits the N.E., a fiscal cliff 54 days away, and Obama eyes his golf clubs while Michelle is working on her vacation plans for the next 4 years.
    In the meantime our $16 trillion dollar debt continues spiraling upward with no mandate but to spend even more.

    Don't really know about 200 years Laurie as it won't take anywhere near that long for Iran or some other
    mad-dog jihadist state to cook up a nuke and try to "wipe Israel off the map" as they promised, while
    Bebe has HIS finger on at least 54 nukes (that we know of) and only fools believe he would let his people be slaughtered in yet another genocide. Jihadist controlled Egypt is now turning to Iran as they want nukes too-
    Carter's Camp David is so completely over and it's all about to boil over...except that we're in the pot too.
    There's weather to consider- getting worse whatever the cause. Power outages are getting regualr as rain. Crops are and will be failing globally while clean water becomes more scarce.
    Obama's green energy spending is supposedly solving these problems. Really? When?

    Sorry to say it's NOT 'finally over" but has just begun- the beginning of the end.

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-07-05/drought-stalks-the-global-food-supply
    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/19/new_poll_egyptians_turning_toward_iran_want_nuclear_weapons

     
  • Laurie Wadkins posted at 12:34 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Laurie Wadkins Posts: 638

    Well gang, it's finally over...
    ___ Now we can get on with the roadtrip to our sooner than expected demise as the "greatest" show on Earth.
    ___ It makes no difference who won... congressional gridlock will continue to hobble this nation. I'm not sure, but I think it was Sagle Mike who wisely said a while back that mankind is only gonna last another 200 years on this planet.
    ___ We've climbed aboard our donkeys and elephants and are joining the caravan going down the narrow path to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. There's no turning around... Idaho, as expected, dug their nails into their beasts and will ride this train all the way. If I were you, I would attempt to get what enjoyment and benefit from the trip down that I can, you'll never see the "summit" again.
    [sad]

     
  • Timmie posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Where's Old Cop and BullMoose ?

    Suddenly they disappear.

    What's the matter ? Lose an election ?

     
  • Timmie posted at 11:34 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    The rightwingers here have zero faith in America, it's people, and the strength that America has.

    I feel sorry for them as I listen to them cry out in despair and continue to preach doom and gloom.

    It's pathetic but it's also quite laughable.

    Get over it. Suck it up. Be Americans.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 11:24 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    The Republicans are going to continue in their spiral to regional backbenching unless they start getting rid of the cranks and bring in the "quant's". The country might be hungry for a tighter fiscal policy, but not from people the believe have a foot in the old pre-civil rights mindset. We may want prosperity, but we want equaltity of opportunity and treatment before the law even more.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 11:05 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 838

    We can all lock arms and sing kumbaya on the deck of the Titanic, but we're still headed for an iceberg. I think we had a much better chance of avoiding the iceberg with Romney at the helm, but the stupid have spoken. There will be an exodus of capital from this country by the 1% since they now have a bulls-eye on their back, and the middle class will bear the brunt of the damage that will ensue. And when blaming Bush starts to wear thin there will be a new bogeyman to blame.

     
  • MichaelN posted at 11:05 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    MichaelN Posts: 502

    Well, not really surprising. So what do we have now? The middle class, me with rising prices on food, insurance, gas, natural gas, electricity, healthcare, the list goes on. And a government that has proved to spend trillions of dollars to squelch the inflating cost of everything. Did I say inflation, we haven't even approached inflation yet. So next year, starting in January, my taxes go up, on top of all these other items listed above. My pay stays relatively the same, so what do I do? I stop spending. The government can continue to throw my taxes at the economy in hopes that it will improve the dismal numbers, but as shown from the last few years, it really won't work. Corporations will hang onto those billions, the Chinese will keep taking advantage of the world economy, the middle east still laughing under their breath, and we will keep eating the lies about Bengazi. You're right Mike, nothing changed. I'm no better off now than I was four years ago, and I'll bet I can say that again in another four years. But, on the other hand, I still have hope and change, very little hope and very little change.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 11:03 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    The president clearly won the popular and electoral..the people have spoken. To say I'm disappointed in the outcome as well as those who voted him in would be an understatement.

     
  • BCresident posted at 10:11 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    BCresident Posts: 78

    The president won this election's popular vote by more votes than BOTH of George Bush's elections combined and they are still counting! That's loudly and clearly enough for anyone.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 10:06 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    I suggest you go back and take a look at what the dow did the day after presidential elections. You'll find it dropped significantly after 80% of said elections.

    Do your background work.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 10:04 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    "Obama did not win re-election, the media did. "

    The standard blame the media response from the right wing. It's getting old.

    It wasn't the media it was the weakness of the republican candidate ,the message of exclusion by the party. and the wish to return to "trickle down " economics that almost brought this country to it's knees during the Bush years.

    It's a sure bet that when a loss occurs those on the right will scramble for excuses other than the weakness of their party and it's message.

    It won't wash.

    Take a closer look , be honest, and realize it's the message not the messengers.

     
  • BCresident posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    BCresident Posts: 78

    Mike, thank you. Your rant is very funny. it's satire, right?

     
  • backlash posted at 9:57 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Mike the hole in the ship USS America was put there no matter how much you scream by
    the people you support and Democrats that went along. The party you support has been very successful
    in reducing labor costs in this country and eliminating jobs that we now have a bloated welfare system which is symptom of that, not the cause, true some are lazy bums who do not want to work but the root cause is Reaganomics with all the associated globalization, quest for Empire, tax breaks, loopholes, outsourcing and DEREGULATION which has emptied the treasury while filling the coffers of the wealthy
    and corporations. Worst of all deregulation has put the combined insurance industry, banks and Wall Street, Madison Ave on a course of speculating on ups and downs in the market and they do not invest in wealth creation. They only work with complex financial instruments and high speed trades lasting fractions of a second and have so much leverage that they put the worlds financial markets at risk. (deregulation)

    We avoided hopefully: Corporate Control of America

    Thomas Jefferson

    "If the American people ever allow private banks
    to control the issue of their money,
    first by inflation and then by deflation,
    the banks and corporations that will
    grow up around them (around the banks),
    will deprive the people of their property
    until their children will wake up homeless
    on the continent their fathers conquered."

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:43 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Obama did not win re-election, the media did.
    Without the media, and in particular the television and newspaper media, Obama could have never won.
    It is they who have created the man and keep re-creating him after every foul and un-constitutional thing he does to put a strangle hold on our economy and to increase the size of government and to transform us from what once was in practice a Constitutional Republic (in practice Democratic-socialist ) into a more “progressive” society. Just as the media created a caricature of Romney even so they have created one for Obama and only Fox and a few still standing Conservative news papers have dared to report what the Liberal media either spins or covers up. Most people in this country obviously, when they do pay attention to what is going on, either turn to the many Liberal outlets on television (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and their affiliates and other liberal news stations) or just put their proverbial heads in the sand. I must include the liberal entertainment industry here (television programs and movie industry) and of course our schools and colleges where the indoctrination process for progressivism goes on daily preparing young minds for future “kool-aid” citizenship. Yes, Obama did not win last night but his “Keepers” did, along with a lil help from “shall we say” many reported and unreported “voting anomalies” if you catch my drift. from "Reclaim America" by Kimber Chitwood

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:29 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    BCres- you are wrong- Obama won by a very small margin; that is FAR from '"loudly and clearly."

    However the Dow DOES speak loudly and clearly, and it plunged more than 300 points in its biggest one-day loss in nearly a year. Oddly enough, it also plunged 250 pts. when Obama was elected in '08.
    I wonder what they fear besides more "hope and change."

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 9:27 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    You have a very bleak outlook not only about politics but about life. You seem to have no hope or faith in America.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 9:26 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    The Democrats are crowing and the Republicans are crying.
    But what has really changed? Unless the Republicans in the House, the Democrats in the Senate and Obama in the White House can learn to work together all we have is another four years of gridlock which could be fatal to us.

     
  • BCresident posted at 9:14 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    BCresident Posts: 78

    I am so happy the right wing of this country lost. Maybe they will now do some soul searching. The people of the United States have spoken, loudly and clearly.

    Bob, Nate Silver was 49 for 50 last election and 50 for 50 this election. I think this is what happens when you rely on facts, reason and truth.

     
  • reddawn posted at 9:14 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    Come on folks, Both President Obama and Mr Romney said WE, they both get an A for WE. On a note for women. WE for the first time in history have 19 senators. The future for women spoke loud in who they voted for. I am looking forward to the Dems and Rs working togather. They must, not an if, they will. And for those out there who want to scream because they will have to pay higher taxes like we did under Clinton, it is about time they do there fair share. And the world is happy with Americans keeping our President , this is a new world after all, a globel world. We can do this. We will do this, WE are all Americans , now lets act like it.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:13 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Bob- Nate Silver and Ladbrokes are not sitting in the Whitehouse- the amateur remains there.
    We are still $16 trillion in debt with 47 million people on food stamps, 23 million people out of work, trillion dollar deficits, Iran still developing their nuke while Al Queda is taking over N.Africa. with Obama's blessing.
    GM is close to a second bankruptcy even after selling a controlling interest to China.

    So that's what you call "victory?"

    It seems that history remembers how the band played on as the Titanic sank. Enjoy the music.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:50 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    So, Mikey, what do you think of Nate Silver and Ladbrokes now?

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 8:47 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    Mitt Romney’s congratulatory speech to President Obama was an example of class and dignity. May all our politicians and ourselves heed his words:

    “The Nation as you know is at a critical point. At a time like this we cant risk partisan bickering and political posturing. Our leaders have to reach across the isle to do the peoples work and we citizens also have to rise to the occasion.

    And we look to Democrats, Republicans and government at all levels, to put the people before the politics.”
    - Mitt Romney, 11/06/2012

     
  • Jason Benell posted at 8:35 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Jason Benell Posts: 344

    Welp.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 7:54 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Romeny showed remarkable class in his loss last night. It's too bad that liberals cannot show the same kind of class in victory. As I said, nothing's changed.

     
  • Timmie posted at 7:09 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    And you're still crying and whining and spreading doom and gloom

    Nothings changed.

     
  • Timmie posted at 7:07 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771


    Who said.....

    "I believe God WILL have mercy on us...tomorrow. More and more are seeing Romney with 300+ electoral votes, and Drudge's top story is about Steph Cutter et al telling the Obama campaign to "not panic over the early exit polls." In other words, they are preparing them for a staggering loss."

    Why it was MF Sagle.

    What happened MF Sagle ??

    300+ electoral votes.

    Your credibility is shot

    Nice try

     
  • reddawn posted at 6:53 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    Last night they showed Idaho with a break down of the Red and Blue voters. Northern Idaho is Democrat and always has been. I grew up here and know this to be true. Moose I think after reading your threats of Americans the CIA needs to take a look at you and all your posts. Fox news last night as well said it is time for Congress to work togather to get this country moving forward. Like taxing the Rich the same way they do the middle income.The tea party cost the Republicans dearly. And it is very likely the Republicans will never win the white house again, The old will be gone and the young who are wanting a better America when it comes to race, WOMEN, the poor, the old, the vets, the children, freedom of faith, freedom. If congress does not so its job at a all time low of 11% approval as said on Fox then for sure we will suffer.I heard Romney speak, he said support our country, do what is best for America and no more divide. So to my Democrat brothers and sisters, please stop getting caught up with the Hate Moose carries, and Mike, along with all the others who cannot seem to find one good thing about people. I must admit I have no respect for any of the tea party, most of my republican friends are still my friends and feel it is time to work and go forward and support our President, so if you can backlash, Timmie, and all the Dems, please stop the conversation with the tea party, WE WON, let these men and women be unhappy, and full of hate, let them go and lets move forward.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 6:36 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Nothing's changed- the GOP still controls the purse strings, and a man who tightly hides his past still sits in the Whitehouse.

    Nothing's changed- Fast & Furious is not over, and Benghazi isn't either.

    Nothing's changed- 23 million people are still out of work, 47 million people are on food stamps, and umemployment is still a record high while we face a mounting economic crisis with no one at the wheel except Valerie Jarret and David Axelrod as Obama will be heading back to the golf course.

    When those things change for the better, liberals will have something to boast about, but for now-
    nothing's changed.

     
  • backlash posted at 5:44 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    The Republican party is the be afraid party! Be afraid of gays. Be afraid of the poor. Be afraid of latinos. Be afraid, Democrats are communists. Be afraid of Muslims. Be afraid of Obama he is the Manchurian Candidate.

    MartialMoose posted at 9:55 pm on Tue, Nov 6, 2012. I must say that being the owner of my own small business since 1977 and before that many other businesses I find it "INFURIATING" to be called a communist as nothing could be further from the truth.
    I know you feel that freedom has breathed it's final breath but that is just no so Moose.

    Turtles are hard shelled tough and have been around for millions of years and have been known
    to even beat the speedy rabbit!

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:28 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "Our primary objective is make sure Barack Obama is a one-term President". -GOP Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell

    Gee, Mitch, maybe if your primary objective had been to address the serious problems facing everyday Americans, your party would have won the White House tonight and you wouldn't still be the "Minority" Leader ...

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:23 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    The republican party is falling apart. They have alienated most of America.

    They have lied and deceived their way to another loss.

    God Bless America

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:21 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Take your paranoia and check under your bed I'm sure there's a commie hiding there.

    Hah hahahahahahahah

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 10:35 pm on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    Look, it's a shellacking in the Electoral College, but not exactly a Roman Triumph. But we need to be clear that the people want healing and sensible centrist policy, not radical revolution from either side.

    I challenge all of the partisan posters (both sides) on these boards to declare something much harder than an armistice: a Jubilee. As suggested by Shakespeare:

    " ...all the clouds that lowered upon our house
    In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
    Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths,
    Our bruised arms hung up for monuments,
    Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
    Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
    Grim-visaged war hath smoothed his wrinkled front,
    And now, instead of mounting barbed steeds
    To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
    He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
    To the lascivious pleasing of a lute. " Which should remind us all of some issues that need attending. Good night and best wishes to everyone.

     
  • backlash posted at 9:27 pm on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    I hope you Republicans have decided to stop taking victory laps now?

    The Republican party has been infiltrated by a bunch of fringe rightwing nut cases, evangelical extremists and Neocons who would not know truth if it was a eighteen wheeler and it ran over them. All they have is to call everyone who does not agree with them as a Marxist communist blah blah blah!

    Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone
    else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal
    experience with war: most emphatically when that lack of experience
    came in spite of ample opportunity in that person's youth.

    Anyone seen Mike. Moose, dog, old cop, wallace, dan, if you do give them my condolences!

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 4:25 pm on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    I am awestruck at L Wallace's sudden lowering of the voice. But I guess he hasn't been accused of treason yet. Or told he isn't welcome in his own state. Or trying to destroy his country. Or being an atheist agent of Stalism. He has been told he was wrong on a few occasions, which shouldn't surprise anyone..

    Why would any Democrat want to leave Idaho? When I was hiring people to work in Sandpoint, I made a special effort to find as many college-educated progressives and liberals to move here as I could. It's a shame I couldnt bring in many, many more, but the local economy just can't support it yet. With better internet, its only a matter of time.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 4:05 pm on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    The saddest part about the election being over is that more Republicans didnt throw even more money down the drain. C'mon guys, more expensive, last-minute hate ad's. Tell us the one about the 65 year old librarian union thugs from the NEA again; that is a true ROFLMAO story. I think there is time for a few more scare ad's about how Bert, Ernie and Big Bird are communist indoctrination machines, instilling Stalinist values like "share the toys", "take your turn", and "don't call people names". Surely there is another self-satisfied heir to a family fortune that wants to make a mark with Dad's money. Besides Mitt, that is.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 11:57 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1369

    I do want to say a big thank you to Mitt Romney and his family for putting themselves through political hell on behalf of the nation. I know that if I was worth hundreds of millions of $$, I don't think I would be interested in such a thankless & life force robbing job.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 11:52 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1369

    I too don't hate obama or any liberals, I just hate what they stand for in societal values, morality, economic policies and extra-constitutional actions. I will take pleasure in this most important election being over.

    I will take no pleasure in liberal's losses today but I will take pleasure in the nation's gains for the future.

    If liberals again win the whitehouse, I will take no pleasure in America's economic losses to come but I will take pleasure in knowing that I did what I could to avoid the coming economic cliff and will be at peace with the outcome of their moving "forward" over that cliff.

    I will also take pleasure in having met so many conservatives on this web site though I have met none in person that I know of. Also, I take no pleasure in those liberals who are so emotionally invested that they would feel the need to move to another area, I may disagree with their convictions but have no anomosity towards them personally.

    I hope everyone has voted so that the nation can maybe come together in the missing bi-partisanship behind whoever is elected.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 10:11 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605

    I don't hate Obama , just don't need 4 more years of his dividing the country...There is nothing wrong with Congress, they got stymied by Harry Reid sticking all the legislation from the House in his drawyer, he didn't want to even debate the laws proposed let alone compromise...Its been a sick 4 years, if not for the outrage displayed in 2010's mid-terms to wrestle away the House we would be cooked...As it is , its not too late to repair the damage with the finest ticket in years from the Republicans...We are very fortunate a man of Romney's character and stature even wants the job...Ryan has a handle on spending and entitlement reform so that needy in the future may have a safety net and the retired have their deserved Social Security and Medicare that they spent decades paying into.
    Many Obama supporters from 2008 have seen they were let down by the far left tactics and bully partisan governance when he preached center left bi-partisan policy agendas. Wow , I hope this nightmare is almost over.

     
  • Timmie posted at 9:29 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "Facts really aren't important to such people."

    true that...we see examples of that in your posts daily.

    And bullwinkles and old cops and dawgs.

     
  • reddawn posted at 9:28 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    The Tea Party Denial![smile]

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:40 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    @Dawg/Bruce- not only Rove and Michael Barone are out on a limb predicting a landslide win for Romney, but Peggy Noonan got on the R-train, saying, "There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not." Obama finished his tour in a half filled auditorium while Romney has been playing to SRO crowds.

    But if it goes to the lawyers, even David Letterman says it'll be a Romney win, “So here's the rundown: tomorrow is Election Day; Wednesday will be the recount; December 18 the Supreme Court will give the election to Mitt Romney. That's what we got ahead of us.”

    Funny how the liberal media ignores the fact that news organizations that went to Florida in January 2001 to count the votes found that Bush would have won anyway. Facts really aren't important to such people.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/06/letterman-recount-starts-wednesday-supreme-court-gives-election-romne#ixzz2BSeW1erd

    http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/

     
  • reddawn posted at 8:32 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    America is not as close minded and do understand Math, humanilty, the sick, the poor, the old, the young, climate change, greed, war, vets, the disabled, and the middle income. The rich not paying taxes like the rest of us. President Obama is ahead by the Peoples vote right now. The tea party is getting voted out . We do understand that 2008 put us in a fall not seen since the great depresstion. President Obama and the American people have grown. struggled, and won. This idea of your on your own, to control womens rights, to be a raciest, is a time of gone by. Yet Idaho puts Romney first on the pallet and President Obama on the bottom. In my life time living in Idaho I am ashamed of the state I have grown up in. Never have I seen such a raciest ballet. The great thing is our President will win, next lets see if Congress does its job, and if they continue to be stuck in the party and not do what is best for this country the people need to fire them all. As an independent for years supporting Republicans then Dems, with the freedom to cross parties I have had no choice to become a Democrat. I will be happy to see this all over, so maybe this comment site that has become so ugly just might move forward with I am alive today, to help your neighbors, your country. I have spent time reading other comment sites in Idaho, Bonner tops the most disrespect of each other, and our country. I am sorry I ever came to Bonner county, I wish I could have seen the future coming here. I miss CDA and the people who I grew up with . Now all I have to do is talk my husband into selling all our land and moving back to an area not so full of distain for women, people of color, and the protection of our children, the future.Progressive and not so stuck in 1900.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 7:47 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605

    Brett Stephens excerpt this am WSJ

    Great nations may have greater grace periods, but they don't get blank checks. Bills come due. Populations age and become more expensive to support. Interest rates do not remain near-zero forever. Overtaxed people figure out new ways to shelter their income from the government, or they renounce their citizenship. Whenever advocates of an expansive welfare state start talking about "economic patriotism"—a phrase Mr. Obama has lately been trying out on the campaign trail—you know the scoundrels really have found their last refuge.

     
  • Timmie posted at 7:34 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    This cannot be compared to Bush and his handling of Katrina. Preparations were in place. The disaster was ready to be dealt with. The reaction has not been "poor" considering the amount of destruction to a major metropolitan area(s).

    Keep blaming the media, it's all the right has for an excuse.

    Christie hugged and praised Obama for his handling of the storm. What's sneaky about that. ?

    How ya gonna feel when Romney looses and is sent home ?

     
  • Timmie posted at 7:29 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Carl Rove has the credibility of a gnat.

    This is gonna be a close one.

    People are pissed off and divided.

    God bless America.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 7:20 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    I am nervous after the photo-op through New Jersey last week, Obama seemed to recover. Pretty sneaky smearing a big Christie hug all over the mediosphere. However, that phony bump has dissipated. Carl Rove thinks it will be a landslide. If the media were fair in their coverage of Sandy, Obama would get the kind of treatment Bush got with Katrina. They had tons of warning to prepare and the relief response is very poor.
    I will be glad when this election day is over and pray for a clear outcome without all the little lawyers screaming foul when The Annointed one is sent home in disgrace.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 6:14 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Whether you vote for progress or not, be sure to

    VOTE!

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 6:08 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    One thing is sure, sometime in the next few days (hopefully), we will have selected the next president and congress to lead the nation for another four years. We are deeply divided and regardless of the outcome of this election, we will remain so. My hope is that, whatever the outcome, those elected will face reality and come together to work toward solutions. We cannot afford another four years of bitterness and obstruction - from either side.

    I will go out today and cast my vote and be grateful to do so. And regardless of the outcome, I intend to support ( and keep a critical eye on) whichever man is elected to lead us. The stakes are too high to retreat deeper into non-productive and destructive politics as usual.

     
  • backlash posted at 3:10 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    http://youtu.be/gHsxLhY-EvE (the invisible hand)

    Deregulated banks and Republican's who one way or another will keep
    laws from being passed or if passed never implemented.

    Globalization is profitable but we need not destroy the American worker in the holiest of all holiest according to conservatives "the job creator!". I just realized I'm one of those "A job creator" imagine that
    and I was beginning to believe Moose that I wanted to give my company to the "Peoples Republic
    of America"

     
  • backlash posted at 2:52 am on Tue, Nov 6, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    The 16 trillion dollar deficit was not out control spending it was money to recapitalize the banks after reckless spending, reckless deregulation, reckless military spending sent us off a cliff
    A high percentage of Obama's spending went for tax breaks to try and restart spending (which you should know causes more products to be purchased and more products to be manufactured which causes them to need employees. Instead of giving it to the very wealthy who will for the most part save it and not spend it into the economy.
    Conservative economics: destroy the cost of labor through outsourcing, automation and make working hours longer. Give tax money to the top with loopholes, subsidies and tax breaks, special laws that give that company an edge like allowing a charge card company to raise your interest rate 12% because you owed the library money. Then we have (deregulation which is throwing the baby out with the bath water)

    I do not go for the "INVISIBLE HAND" it will not self regulate the market but I hate to tell you Mike where
    it is??? It is well, I can't say here, but it way up there. (outer space???)

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:41 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Sage, I acknowledged your REELECTED. But if you could read you would see that I suggested his reelection would never have occurred if the Supreme Court had any notion of the Constitution.

    You're going to have to do something new for you and come to grips with reality. Obama is going to be REELECTED and Romney is going back to Massachusetts, New Hampshire, California or whatever other state he has a home in.

    The country is going to be in good hands and all will be well with the world. Reality.


     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:24 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Is English your second language, Bob? I said "reelected." And we may see very soon how many Americans realized the mistake they made voting...for Obama...and that's if they can't fathom our staggering $16 trillion in debt, disastrous foreign policy, or the glaring implications of Iranian born Valerie Jarret running the Whitehouse like an iron dominatrix- she even vacations with the Obamas. $90 billion to green-job ratholes belonging to his 2008 campaign donors. We'll never see the money he dumped into GM while it nears it's second bankruptcy and sold a controlling interest to China. You really want to reelect Chauncy Gardener!

    BTW, the very same radical global jihadists who has also taken Egypt have been in the Whitehouse. Hello?

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:32 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Mikey, it's not at all clear that the PEOPLE elected George Bush. Had Bush not been appointed in 2000, he wouldn't have been on the ballot for reelection. I think most Americans understand what a mistake it was to elect Bush. Fortunately, we survived Bush and are well on our way to fixing the damage he did.

    Michael, whoever claimed this was not OUR country? As you twist in the wind in the last throes of the election cycle, you seem to be clutching at straws to maintain your balance. My suggestion is to sit back, relax and watch things get better. Rest assured, Michael, the only idiots you need to worry about are those that reinforce your political thinking.

     
  • Frank's posted at 9:32 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Frank's Posts: 308

    I remember the apartheid madness during the Reagan years.

    I recall Cuban troops were sent to Angola to formant Marxist
    revolutions or commie wars of liberations throughout Central
    and South Africa.

    The South African government was fighting the Cuban troops and their
    commie allies throughout the region.

    Ronald Reagan supported the South African government. And the commie
    left spun out of control and brutally attacked Reagan.

    Apartheid became the left’s cause du jour during the Reagan years when
    the conservative movement was ascending to political power.

    America’s commie left endlessly browbeat the American people over
    apartheid with great malice, implying conservative America was responsible for
    South Africa’s racial brutality.

    Pro-Western and anti-commie Zulu nation’s IFP and Buthelezi violently clashed with
    the commie ANC and Mandela.

    The South African government fell to the commie ANC, resulting in a mass
    exodus of white Afrikaners to the U.S. and Canada.

    Violent retribution against whites occurred throughout South Africa, particularly
    in rural areas. Rape was common and the AIDS virus spread throughout the nation.

    South Africa led the world in the infection of the AIDS virus.


     
  • MichaelN posted at 8:57 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    MichaelN Posts: 502

    Mike, thanks. I was getting a list together, and then I decided to try and put one together for Obama. No luck.

    Bob, have you seen the movie 2016? I waited patiently for this day to plop it in and sit back and watch. Not that it would have changed my vote, but either way, it will either confirm that I made the right decision or I live among a pile of idiots. I'm betting on the former. Good luck to you Bob, and remember, it's our country, not Obama's.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:38 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    You folks don't even know how silly you sound.

    Blame the polls, blame the media, blame the communists, the Nazis and the fascists, but where you ought to be looking is to your reps, your platform and your ideas. The American people are smarter than you want to give them credit for. They see your candidate as just another in a long line of empty suits. You need to put the blame where it belongs and reassess.

    But here's the good news, you have four years to figure it out.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:34 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    @Moose- agree with you about exposing them, but imo it's better to let them expose themselves, and the best way to do that is by allowing them to do what they do best- TALK. All that big talk runs clear from the bottom all the way to the biggest mouth of all- BHO. It will be their words which they will be remembered for because their actions have been a complete disaster, from the Stimuloss to Obamacare to Solyndra to Fast & Furious to Benghazi, one screw-up after another, and there's nothing they can do to change any of it- history is already judging this admin as the worst ever. Tho I do believe that Obama is responsible for most of their confusion, they would still be duncy had Obama never made it to the WH.
    BTW-thanks I did get the contact info from Cop, and we'll all be getting together soon- looking fwd to it.

    @Lash, I've done no victory laps, that's Bob's dept. I said that tomorrow will definitely change the playing field, and it will regardless of who wins, but at this time all the indications are that Romney is going to win,
    and there are some cards that have yet to be dealt, most specifically the Tea Party, i.e. 2010/Wisconsin.
    Both Gallup and Rassmusen have Romney in front as the word "landslide" keeps surfacing with increasing frequency. Here, just look at what's going on right now- Obama closed out his campaign to a HALF FILLED auditorium, and his own people are warning the campaign workers to prepare for the worst.

    http://politicker.com/2012/11/obama-campaign-to-supporters-dont-panic-over-early-exit-polls/
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/05/Obama-closes-to-half-empty-stadium-in-Ohio


    "What in Romney's resume could possibly give you confidence."
    That's a question, Bob. Try using one of these with your questions--->?
    But to answer it anyway:

    Staples- $24 billion in sales. Success.

    Bain annual internal return rate on realized investments: 113% Success.

    2002 Salt Lake Olympics faced $379 million deficit- Romnney created $100 million profit. Success.

    Massachusetts’ Unemployment Rate Fell From 6.3% To 4.7% During The Romney Administration. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, www.bls.gov, 5/30/12)

    Massachusetts Added Tens Of Thousands Of Net New Jobs During The Romney Administration. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, www.bls.gov, 5/30/12)

    Boston Business Journal, January 2007: “Thousands Of People Are Re-Entering Massachusetts' Work Force As Its Jobs Engine … Continues To Gain Traction.” (Boston Business Journal, 1/1/07)

    Governor Romney Closed A Nearly $3 Billion Shortfall Without Raising Taxes And Balanced Four Budgets. (Pam Belluck, "Romney Candidacy Puts Massachusetts Economy In Spotlight," The New York Times, 3/16/07)

    Governor Romney Left More Than $2 Billion In The State’s Rainy Day Fund. (Editorial, “Vote For Romney On Saturday,” Charleston Post & Courier, 1/20/12)

     
  • L Wallace posted at 8:24 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1369

    Well, Tomorrow we are finally at the moment of the election. From my perspective it has been a long time coming as I didn't vote for such blatant inexperience. The amazing thing with the economy as it is, is that Obama is even in this election.

    I want to give a shout out to Moose, Mike f. Sagle, bigdan, Newdawn, MichaelN, Old Cop, Kelly, and all the conservatives who have made the case for changing course from this D administration. Thanks to all of you for making the case for the traditional America, the capitalist system, morality, strong hetrosexual family, and limited constitutional government, I hope we all made a difference.

    Tomorrow we will see if the T party has been asleep or working behind the scenes, whether the Catholic Christians will tolerate the government forcing them to provide immoral services against their moral beliefs and whether the independents go with the status quo or vote for change.

    I think the whole liberal media is in the tank for Obama and is skewing the polls by "weighting" them in ways to make the poll show what they want it to show.

    Since I don't know of any gathering of those from this web site, I guess I will drift down to the GOP gathering at the Holiday Express (by Slates).

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:08 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Nate Silver just took Obama to 315. Good luck to all you incorrigible optimists.

    On the eve of the election I'd say that's the last nail in the coffin.

    We vermin are going to have a great time tomorrow, Moose.

     
  • backlash posted at 7:24 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Mike: Your taking victory laps, really? Little premature don't you think? Are you sure you are not as they say: "whistling past the grave yard" . According to you if you stand with your brothers like Mouse, Old Cop, Wallace ( the old Governor Wallace would be proud) even if Romney would happen to win your allies conservatives the reality is (not a good subject for conservatives I know) believe that half of Americans are a bunch of Communist Marxist and want the destruction of America are against morality
    itself and are murderers, against God and promote pornography and homosexuality.

    I know we are not suppose to talk about Bush and I certainly understand your reluctance to do so
    as it is painfully obvious why! But when you have made a mistake you really need to do some forensics
    on what happened, some postmortem if you will.Many are to blame including Democrats. The primary
    cause was surely Deregulation and Reaganomics. Now Obama did resuscitate America and we have
    been very ill but are just out of the emergency room.

    The conservatives used 911 to neuter the constitution with the Patriot Act and it's hand picked Supreme
    Court was used to steal the election and give corporate control of America with the Citizens United
    decision.
    They now use capital to speculate and invest in ways to make the cost of labor less by outsourcing
    and automation which would be good to increase productivity but they do not use their money in the classic
    way to produce wealth but rather to make money by rigging markets. A pill that I take which is $400 dollars/month in America and $10 in foreign countries.

    False equivalencies Benghazi=Iraq 911
    Katrina=Sandy

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 7:11 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    have some faith New Dawn, I believe God WILL have mercy on us...tomorrow. More and more are seeing Romney with 300+ electoral votes, and Drudge's top story is about Steph Cutter et al telling the Obama campaign to "not panic over the early exit polls." In other words, they are preparing them for a staggering loss.

    Agree w/Dan Moose, it's just kind of sad seeing you waste your talent on those clowns, but good you do because I've just about given up. Nonetheless, glad to have you on the side of common sense and reason; and for what it's worth- tomorrow will definitely change the playing field.

     
  • NewDawn posted at 6:52 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    Bob W. - Your quote: "Obama will be reelected. There is no"whether" about it."
    You sure are a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

    I just watched the news from the East Coast. People are weeping in desperation
    over the horrendous condition they find themselves in after the storm. They are saying
    that Obama came for his "photo session" and "high-tailed" it back to his campaign. So
    true - so true! WHAT A LEADER ! May God have mercy on our country!

     
  • bigdan posted at 6:48 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    MartialMoose...keep up the good work!

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 6:38 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    MichaelN- thx for the positive spin, as there are indeed some very good indications at this point.
    Michael Barone just got on board the Romney landslide train (which Dick Morris has been driving) Krauthammer and several others are still seeing a Romney win despite Mittmentum-interuptus-Sandy
    and Chunky-boy's shameless brown-nosing of O for NJ's much needed fed aid.
    Those Colo. professors who haven't missed a single presidential pick since 1980 have a solid Romney win. They base their data on the electoral college and haven't missed once.
    It's all coming together fast- looks like we don't even need Ohio to win, but we'll get them anyway.
    And all that talk about the Tea Party being "over" will be one of the favored side dishes to serve with the crow.
    The oven's already on pre-heat.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 6:24 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    That's right Mikey, Benghazi is at least the equivalent of the 9/11 failure.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 6:16 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    this is an interesting thread, and one worth bookmarking for future reference. The more that liberals insist it is the right who are "nervous," the more it is clear who it is that is really freaking out... as they have been for some time now. It is the very same ones who try to keep convincing themselves they will be victorious- THEY are the most frightened, esp. as there is no way to predict the outcome of an election, but it is the emotional timbre on display here which is giving away the muffled angst, even the plain old fear. I openly admit to being nervous, and feel like a pacing father outside of the maternity ward. The very life of this country in on the line, but there are some important peripherial considerations which are not getting a lot of focus during the heat of this election.
    One of the important considerations is that regardless of who wins the election, Barack Obama will have to answer for Benghazi one way or another. The deaths of our people could have been prevented, and someone is responsible for denying them help. Someone let them dangle and die, and whoever it is needs to be held accountable for it. This is one they cannot blame on Bush or Romney.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 6:11 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    What in Romney's resume could possibly give you confidence.

    He's trailing Obama by 20 points in Massachusetts. Why do think that is? His home state doesn't even like him.

     
  • MichaelN posted at 5:45 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    MichaelN Posts: 502

    This is how I see it. If Obama is reelected, I guess I'll go ahead and continue to pinch my pennies and try to save for another day with the price of everything increasing at astronomical rates. Insurance premiums, gas, food, etc, etc, etc. I'll hold onto the little bit of discretionary income I have and not be able to help spur on the economy. I'm the middle class, not the 1% that the republicans are being accused of pandering to. I suspect that people with money will do the same with so much speculation and uncertainty with a leader that really does not fit the definition of a leader. On the contrary, if Romney is elected, I will feel the fundamental shift in the direction this country is going and I will gain confidence in our great nation once again. Maybe so much so that I will go out and spend some of that discretionary income. Maybe buy a new car, although the one I have will certainly last another four years if need be.

    See you at the polls.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 5:31 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    What can I say Moose, I don't want you to over think and hurt yourself.

    Obama will be reelected. There is no "whether" about it.

     
  • wilson posted at 5:06 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    wilson Posts: 1076

    Bob - you refer to those with great hope and common sense for America as righties? Does that mean the folks that think like you are wrongies? I think you hit the nail on the head - congratulations!! welcome to the human race --

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 4:23 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Looks to me like all you righties are coming unhinged. I can't blame you. After all, reality is about to set in and that is not something you're used to dealing with. No more rationalizing that your guy is going to win.

    So, what are you going to do?

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:58 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    It appears the the Moose has finally fallen off the right wing edge of the earth.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 3:56 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    Oh, do go on MM, tell us more about the _________ conspiracy to take over the _____ on behalf of the _______ while disguising themselve as law-abiding __________. Or whatever. I love those Madlibs.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 3:45 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    Ok, seriously, South Africa is a pretty messed up place (and the number of murdered whites is more like 3000, not tens of thousands according to genocidewatch.org). Its complex portmanteau constitution is most of the problem that has led to the ANC holding on to power. HOWEVER, I think extrapolating what has happened there, deplorable as it is, to US politics is ludicrous, unless you look at some of the crazy state constitutions we deal with. Yes, like putting in trapping and hunting and school funding formulas, for instance. I think SA is a sad warning about what happens when wealth disparity becomes so extreme that democracy no longer seems to have any power to improve people's lives. Faced with the realistic choice of watching one's child starve in peasceful democracy or lashing out in desparation and anger, people everywhere tend to react the same way.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 3:33 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    Personally I can't see that the Moose needs any help. He has you left wing losers stirred up like a hornet's nest. He sorta reminds me of an old bear in a bee hive. I'm taking lessons on how he does it so I can do some needling myself. He makes it it look so easy. I've gotten lackadaisical lately and hopefully he's renewing my incentive to chastise you losers in the future.

    I'm curious. Here we have Jason posting proof of his lack of scholarly attainment at 2:23 pm on a working day. With him working for the Welfare Dept. shouldn't he be fully engaged in redistributing our tax dollars not posting nonsense on a blog. I would be surprised if he isn't using our government provided computer to disburse his propaganda. The poor guy. After striking out trying to sell insurance, is he taking a chance on getting fired by Welfare. Good Grief! He might have to head back home to Iowa with his tail between his legs.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 2:32 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Moose, you could have fooled me.

    I can't help but notice that none of your fellow travelers jumped to your defense.

    Your best defense would have been to say I was wrong and leave it at that. But, apparently your shame requires you to unload. Well, I'm convinced.

     
  • Jason Benell posted at 2:23 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Jason Benell Posts: 344

    Republicans getting nervuos and mad in this thread.

    Look at Moose making stuff up about South Africa to defend supporting apartheid. Comedy hour!

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 1:58 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    tomorrow will be a day which will determine the direction America will take either a road of healing or more of what we have endured from the republicans and their attempted destruction of the American economy by pandering to the 1% . The 1% they consider the ruling class., which will most likely spell the end of Amercia as we know it.

    We simply cannot afford four more years of unnecessary wars, crushing debt, wiping out of our budget surplus by giving unnecessary tax cuts to the very wealthy, growing unemployment that started at the end of the Bush term, lack of financial institution regulations, and record numbers of Americans being caused to go on welfare due to irresponsible budgeting , never mind the widening racial divide by attempting to restrict voting privileges, class warfare caused by unequal taxation, pourous borders that Bush and co never addressed, not killing terrorist leaders as promised , abysmal foreign policy and wars that pissed off the whole of the middle east, and corruption in the Bush White house and Bush congress which has rotted our system clear to the core and was made an institution by the republicans in congress under GW Bush.. How any sane person would vote for a repeat of what the republicans did to this country during the Bush administration is simply beyond comprehension.

    Fixed

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 1:57 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    Tomorrow will be the day that epitomizes the direction that America has been taking for the past 12 years: either getting realistic about shared sacrifice, or continued suffering at the bottom and an entitled aristocracy at the top. With some common sense, we put and end to Congress becoming a wholly owned property of the Koch Bros.

    We simply cannot afford a repeat of 8 years of unfunded wars, feelgood, budget-busting programs to buy off seniors, unneeded tax giveaways, unhelpful threats to social security, imposition of Evangelical theocracy, paper-tiger threats to overseas adversaries, unrequested bloating of defense, a return to dishonorable torture of prisoners, pandering to dictators like Quaddafi, and a complete outsourcing of our inheritance to vulture capitalists. How a sane person would want to return the reins to the R's after only 4 years is simply beyond comprehension.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 12:41 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    tomorrow will be a day which will determine the direction America will take- either a road of healing or more of what we have endured for the past four years, which will most likely spell the end of Amercia as we know it.

    We simply cannot afford four more years of crushing debt, trillion dollar deficits, record unemployment, stifling regulations, and record numbers of Americans on welfare, never mind the widening racial divide, class warfare, pourous borders, velvet glove treatment of terrorists, abysmal foreign policy, and corruption which has rotted our system clear to the core. How any sane person would vote for 4 more years of this is simply beyond comprehension.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 12:31 pm on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    I never said for anyone to "go away" but when people complain because they are "bored" with the blog or that they are "outa here" as TT boasted, it's quite common to say "don't let the door hit you in the keester on the way out."

    Laurie Wadkins wrote: "Sagle Mike hasn't been feeling well, so I personally cut him some slack"

    You’re 100% wrong, and as usual you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I feel fine, and even were I seriously ill, you would be the LAST person in the world to be in a position to cut anyone "slack".
    The arrogance and liberal condescension in your posts are not even tongue in cheek.
    You posted at 12:14 pm on Thu, Nov 1, 2012 “These endless political rants bore me” yet you remain to remind us continually that we bore you and that we need YOU to cut us “slack.” Right.

    You also boasted “Take a day or two off to watch Sandy and Mother Nature kick our smug superior butts.” Really. Is that how you view humanity when people are killed and lose their homes, their property and everything they own? A mother had her children ripped from her arms, swept away in the water and drowned. I guess you feel that’s what those people deserve for thinking of themselves as being so ‘superior.’ I only know one person here who thinks of herself as ‘superior, and she can keep her “slack.”

    And Terry Thomas, please don't continue to threaten us with your leaving the blog. 3 words: just do it

     
  • reddawn posted at 11:48 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1716

    I am looking forward in celabration of President Obamas win this week. [smile][smile][smile]

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 11:10 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141


    Mr Wadkins: I appreciate your thoughts on the subject.

    Sandpoint is well known as a center for the art of the curmudgeon.

    Practicing a 24/7 sour outlook on life in general, the Sandpoint Curmudgeon lives by the credo that behind every silver lining is a dark cloud, no dog ever has its day, the glass is always half empty, and is usually half empty with bad wine.

    A hearty bravo to these sullen practitioners of the curmudgeonly arts, who enlighten us daily. Keep up the bad work.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 11:07 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    Mr Watkins...I appreciate your thoughts.

    Sandpoint is well known as a center for the art of the curmudgeon.

    Practicing a 24/7 sour outlook on life in general, the Sandpoint Curmudgeon lives by the credo that behind every silver lining is a dark cloud, no dog ever has its day, the glass is always half empty, and is usually half empty with bad wine.

    A hearty bravo to these sullen practitioners of the curmudgeonly arts, who enlighten us daily. Keep up the bad work.

     
  • Laurie Wadkins posted at 10:53 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Laurie Wadkins Posts: 638

    Terry Thomas,
    ___ I'm sorry to say that many a good resident with valid opinions has been told to "go away" by the frequent flyers on these blogs. Sagle Mike hasn't been feeling well, so I personally cut him some slack.
    ___ Don't judge the book by its cover, especially if the subject matter is politics. We actually have some decent discussion when the topic is something else!
    [wink]

     
  • Jason Benell posted at 10:41 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Jason Benell Posts: 344

    Why would you vote for the anti-intellectual platforms of the Republican party?

    Also what is this nonsense with Judeo-Christian morality? It's more a Protestant Christian type of morality. The Christians ran out the Catholics, Jews, and anyone that wasn't Protestant enough. Judeo-Christian is such a false statement that has no basis in American history outside of the conflict between the two.

    Vote for Bronco Bama tomorrow. The Republican party needs to shed its revisionist history, anti-intellectual policy, and its symbiotic relationship with special interests,.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 10:33 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    You know, MartialMoose made some good points, if we make some edits:

    "Judging by the examples you listed in your post, it appears that the “previous poster” was correct. Promoting equality before the law and observing Constitutional protections is an endorsement of morality. But lying and deceiving, as in Romney’s lying to the SEC about his stake in Bain Capital or Ryan’s every assertion of fact, is not. Neither is laying blame for Republican mendacity on Obama.
    Since the modern right supports and promotes the theocratic and murderous dogmas of neofascism and white supremacy, they have no right to claim any moral high ground whatsoever. Fascism has murdered over 12 million people since its inception. So-called Conservative American patriotism has been exterminating Native Americans since King Philips war and justifying race-based slavery and discrimination since the Pilgrims arrived. So, yes, I’d say it’s pretty clear that the conservative side of the aisle DOES have a warped view on morality.
    “Communists completely reject not only the traditional Judeo-Christian concept of morality, with its objective standards of what is right and wrong, but also the very idea itself that there can be any objective standard of morality. By the standards of Communist morality, nothing is absolute, final, or sacred—except Communism itself.” (J. Edgar Hoover, noted psychopath, white supremacist and Mob apologist, in A Study of Communism.)"


     
  • SugarShane posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    SugarShane Posts: 200

    @dawgs lol really? I can't resist a couple of these: "botched the handling of uprisings in the Middle East" ~because there is obviously a clear cut way to handle terrorism

    "sued our own states over immigration laws"~ You mean they had time with all the states suing over Obamacare and spending money on the drug war and closing dispensaries of MMJ?

    "appointed two Supreme Court justices that are unqualified" ~ Because they should be handpicked by you in your infinite wisdom?

    "failed to seal the borders" ~ that's just retarded, this is not East Germany

    "failed to rein in China's currency manipulation" ~ Because Mitt keeps sending Jobs and Money

    "FAILED TO CREATE JOBS" ~ Because the government is the one that creates jobs.

    You sound like an old senile person bleating "the deficit the deficit" without knowing anything about it or how it all works. Keep voting along party lines however if that's what floats your boat. None of you Repub's still have managed to explain it to me why Red states take in more than they give.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 8:27 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605

    Lets face it , the Democratic Party has been doing back-flips on a highwire with no net...they have alienated more than half the country with Obamacare, added six trillion to the debt, botched the handling of uprisings in the Middle East, abandoned our only ally there in Israel, squeezed the life out of small business with unnecessary regulations and the threat of higher taxes, sued our own states over immigration laws they won't uphold, appointed two Supreme Court justices that are unqualified and so far left in their thinking there is sure to be outrage if ever given a majority, failed to seal the borders, failed to rein in China's currency manipulation, and the list goes on and on...but the big on FAILED TO CREATE JOBS ,

     
  • Idahome posted at 8:19 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Idahome Posts: 209

    Iraq instead of getting Bin Laden and then cut taxes under the guise of job creation.....

     
  • Idahome posted at 8:17 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Idahome Posts: 209

    Let's face it, the Republican Party, desperate in the aftermath of the George Bush/Dick Cheney debacle, decided to sit out the past four years and then blame the President for not solving all the problems created during Bush's watch. I am a Republican, myself, and that is simply the cold-truth. Our system of government is not perfect, but it is better than anything else out there, and it only works when the political parties collaborate to resolve problems. The GOP got hijacked by special interests (Tea Party? Are you kidding me?) and big money and their inaction during the past years is more to blame than the President. Finally, whine if you must about the deficit, but do not forget that George Bush entered office with a surplus, declared war on Ira

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 8:16 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    you sir, are a very rude individual.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:29 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Really Moose, you're defending apartheid? You're not only a racist, but a segregationist as well. Keep your sheets starched and cross burning. You might get to keynote the next CPAC convention.

    I am looking forward to all your friends defending your ideas. My guess is, no one will step up.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 2:05 am on Mon, Nov 5, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Here's my prediction. Bob will lose....again.

    "When the election is over i'm out o here" Why wait? It's not like anyone is asking you to stay.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:26 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Well, Dan, if you can't see the handwriting on the wall it would be very difficult for me to explain it. Wait til Tuesday and see how America votes.

    Here's my prediction. Obama stays in the WH, the Ds maintain control over the Senate in a year when many more seats on the line are Democratic (23), and the Ds will narrow the Republican margin in the House. Two years from now, the Rs will lose the House.

    That's what incompetence will cause.

     
  • bigdan posted at 8:05 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Bob wrote "The real question is, why would anyone vote for candidates who are the poster children for failure. Why would anyone want representatives who can't get the job done?"

    Bob, I have no idea why people keep voting some of these Democrats into office.

     
  • bigdan posted at 8:04 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Sylkie, I agree, Obama was a failure at bring both the country together and bringing the two parties together. He ran on uniting us but his first act was to divide. He failed to learn the lessons from the great Presidents of the past who had majorities in congress that were from the opposing party and decided to show us how it's done in Chicago. Of course the big losers were the American people.

    Bob, are you serious? Politics aren't really any different than any competitive sport. Planning to take back the White House is what both parties do when they don't have control over it.

    Woodwards book gave a good account of Obama's arrogance and lack of willingness to find common ground but instead pushed an agenda that took his eye off the ball, the economy, even though you can go back to each year of his administration and find him saying "I will not sleep until everyone who wants a job, has a job". Then of course he went back to ignoring the economy for his pet projects. Yea, that Obamacare is certainly a good piece of....legislation LOL!

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:49 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Dan, you may be right that McConnell's first public statement about making Obama a one-term president didn't occur until Sept 2010. But, the Rs began plotting the demise of Obama at a quiet meeting the evening of inauguration day 2009. That is documented in a book by Robert Draper--"Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives".

    Considering they started their infamous plan on day one of the Obama Adm, they must be pretty ineffective as it appears they have failed badly. That should be no surprise since Republicans have proven themselves to be pretty ineffective since 1992.

    The real question is, why would anyone vote for candidates who are the poster children for failure. Why would anyone want representatives who can't get the job done?

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 7:41 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    The very next sentence from McConnell's mouth in that National Journal interview: " If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him." Right. If he is willing to sell out on all the principles he ran on, throw his biggest achievements in the trash, they will humor him, let him sit at the big-boy table.

    Congrats, R's: 4 more years in exile. I hear Costa Rica is nice, but I suggest somewhere without an extradiction treaty.

     
  • bigdan posted at 6:46 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Terry, you need to check the record. McConnell didn't say that until 2010. The record also shows both the Dems and Republicans were ready to work with Obama and Eric Cantor even submitted some things to discuss. Unfortunately the President set the tone by telling the Republicans that he had won and they had lost. He then went on with complete control of the House and Senate for two years ignoring the economy to pass laws that only put us further behind economically while cutting the opposing party out of most negotiations instead of doing what past Presidents were so good at, working WITH the opposition.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 11:42 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    After President Obama was elected the leaders of the loyal(?) opposition party announced early on, brazenly and unabashedly, their determination to ensure that Obama would be no more than a one-term president.

    To that end, they took our nation to the brink of an abyss of unknown depth and gravity, threatening default on the full faith and credit of the United States of America. They stopped just short of pushing us over the precipice, but they succeeded in getting our credit rating lowered.

    When President Obama took office not just our nation but the whole global community was plumbing depths of economic despair not seen since the Great Depression. Instead of working constructively to resolve our dilemma, the party of NO embarked on a childish tantrum, even to the point of opposing measures they had previously sponsored.

    It's an excellent case study for abnormal psychology textbooks; supposedly adult leaders openly behaving in public as spoiled children.

     
  • Terry Thomas posted at 11:34 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Terry Thomas Posts: 141

    I am constantly amazed by the infantile postings on this site.

    When the election is over i'm out o here . I signed on hoping that there would be intelligent discussion going on and found name calling and stupidity.

    Very sad.

    Remember to vote . Wish whoever wins well as they have a huge job ahead of them and the presidency eats one alive. I do not envy the winner.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:01 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Unfortunately, Brandy, the Ds never really controlled the Senate during the early days of the Obama Adm. But, what the last four years has shown us is that the Rs are not interested in governing or public policy. If they were, they would have found a much better candidate than Mitt Romney. And they had some good choices--Jon Huntsman, Mitch Daniels and Chris Christie come easily to mind.

    Read and weep, BigDan, Silver has Obama at 307. The only way Romney wins is by gaming the system, and that's not going to happen again. We still remember Florida.

     
  • SugarShane posted at 10:34 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    SugarShane Posts: 200

    Already dropped off my ballot with another vote for President Obama!!

     
  • BrandyDavis posted at 10:09 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    BrandyDavis Posts: 44

    PLEASE correct me if I am wrong- But, was there a need for "compromise" after the election when democrats held the presidency, house and senate for the first 18 months??? Vote Democrat??? Fat chance!!!

     
  • bigdan posted at 9:58 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    BACKLASH, BASED ON YOUR LAST POST IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE HEARING THINGS AGAIN AND THOSE THINGS APPEAR TO BE YELLING AT YOU. MAYBE YOU NEED TO SEEKS SOME HELP......and a little peace and quiet.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 7:17 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    I want everybody to know that 'Lash, Pumpkinhead,Wyndi and Jason did not write to tell me they were amused when they read sylkie7b's excoriation of me. I guess they didn't think it was funny. They may have been behind the door when understanding and humor were passed out.
    They did get more than their share of potty mouth. Perhaps you overlooked the top line of 'Lash's 4:57 am post this morning.
    You would make a great straight man 'Lash for some bad mouthed comedian.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:15 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    OldMan, homonyms are not the same as antonyms. Nor is ideological ranting a substitute for thoughtful analysis.

    I find the last days of the presidential campaign very enlightening. Former president Bill Clinton is lighting it up for the Obama campaign while former president George Bush is haunting and daunting Romney's. How about the ghost of Brownie raising his specter. Some things are never meant to be, and a Romney presidency is one of them.

     
  • backlash posted at 4:57 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Old Cop: You Far Right Wingers have "Marxism" on the f brain! Give it a rest and people don't care if you like a bunch of little school girls send private emails and giggle about your superior intellectual acumen.
    As I have said " people that spend most of their time BOASTING ABOUT THEIR GREATNESS have
    only an inferiority complex and the facts do not support what they say!"

    Sounds like sylkie7b is getting under your skin old boy.

    What if our posts were like yours OLD COP? I think they would read like this:

    The coming election will determine whether we PROCEED down the path of FASCISM by being forced to CONCEDE the election to the FASCISTS. I am so very hopeful that we may RECEDE from the brinks of disaster by voting out those that would DECEIVE us and move us down the path of MILITARISM AND
    CONQUEST OF EMPIRE NATIONAL BELLIGERENCY CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH AND DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS. IN ARIZONA YOU HEAR "CAN WE SEE YOUR PAPERS PLEASE!"
    WE HEAR "BUILD MORE PRISONS AND USE PRISONERS FOR LABOR." WE NEED A BIGGER MILITARY BUDGET! LET THE POOR STARVE THEY ARE JUST LAZY!

     
  • backlash posted at 4:30 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:27 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012. " Like I say, when the only flag you have to wave is MORALITY, the party's over". ( given the fact that they do not practice morality especially with their penchant
    for militarism, willingness to lie and lack of sympathy for the poor and the down trodden! ) I could not believe my ears yesterday when Romney said he needed to be the peoples choice as he would end Obama's Democratic policies of Trickle Down Economics. "I almost fell out of my chair!"

     
  • Old Cop posted at 3:03 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    Going back to Bobby's comments on progress and congress that he made at 2:50 pm Sat, I wish to make a rejoinder.
    The coming election will determine whether we PROCEED down the path of Marxism by being forced to CONCEDE the election to the socialists. I am so very hopeful that we may RECEDE from the brinks of disaster by voting out those that would DECEIVE us.
    Maybe some of you will appreciate the fact that I've gotten 17 e-mails since Friday afternoon chortling, chuckling, giggling or just plain laughing at sylkie. His vexatious Posts aimed at me showing his extreme exasperation are a source of humor to a lot of people. I expect to hear from more today and Monday. Remember sndmn@imaxmail.net.

     
  • sylkie7b posted at 9:50 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    A previous poster somehow claims that only one side of the aisle has a monopoly on morality. Everyone is entitled to make moral judgments about policy, I suppose. But I think there are somethings that the Democrats have done that have contributed the Republicans’ Obama Derangement Syndrome:

    1. Following the law as laid down by the Constitution and interpreted by the Supreme Court.
    2. Recognizing that brave people, regardless of who they love, can serve their country with honor and deserve our respect
    3. The fact that not one heterosexual couple has been forced apart at gunpoint because gays can marry in Iowa.
    4. Forcing insurance companies to stop discriminating against women for essential health services based on the religious prejudices of their employers. No Catholic church was converted to an abortion clinic since 2008.
    5. The Federal Reserve has been doing exactly the counter-cyclical job that it was tasked with in the 1913 Federal Reserve Act.
    6. Despite a tidal wave of new assault rifles and handguns on the American market since 2008, the only new federal restrictions are the ones that prevent park rangers from keeping guns out of national parks.
    7. The fact that DoD and State Department sent 2 different expeditions to Benghazi once there was some idea what had happened…but not before Bishop Romney grabbed a bullhorn to claim he knew exactly what was wrong. (Wonder how he knew so much?)
    8. A president getting elected in the middle of a crash and having the opposition proclaim that they would put party above country and lock arms to filibuster everything possible. It takes 2 sides to be bipartisan. We all just forgot that the Republican version of bipartisanship means holding a gun to our credit rating and daring the President to do anything about it. He promised that the stimulus would contribute to bringing down unemployment, but was forced to cut the requested stimulus in half and convert 40% of it to tax cuts. Tax cuts take much much longer to work than direct stimulus, so we will not get the benefits from it until 2013. But those tax cuts that the voted for, of course, are now baked into the deficit numbers that the Republicans somehow beat like a drum.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 9:37 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1369

    Yes Bob when the only flag we have to wave is morality, political parties are over. I will take morality over political party EVERY time.

    We are about to see whether all your rhetoric about what most Americans want is correct or not.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:27 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Lloyd, you may be right. But most Americans believe that our elected officials should be working for the benefit of the American people, not there to thwart the will of the majority. The Republican chickens are coming home to roost. Not only are they going to do poorly in this election, they are on a downward slide that is going to put them out of business.

    Like I say, when the only flag you have to wave is MORALITY, the party's over.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 7:58 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1369

    Bob the Rs got hired (elected) to obstruct the Ds from even worse economic policies leading to even worse conditions. I agree that the Rs morality in war is no better than the Ds. I did support a reasonable lenght of time in Afghanistan to rout the Taliban. But nation building through culture war is a whole different thing.

    You ask what kind of morality is D morality? Let me see if I can list a few.
    Definition of immorality = improper treatment of people.

    1. Immorality in support of citizen's right to killing their unborn children. The INALIENABLE "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is "CREATOR given", NOT government given.

    2. Immorality in support of gay lifestyle in society and the military.

    3. Immorality in destruction of the traditional hetrosexual family unit through gay marriage endorsement.

    4. Immorality in forcing Christian Catholics to provide contraceptive, abortion and sterilization services which is clearly against the constitution in making religious law and clearly against their long held moral standards.

    5. Immorality in printing paper money which devalues the purchasing power of the poor and is a great contributor to inflation.

    6. Immorality in support of gun control when guns are the last defense against a government that has abandonded the constitution checks and balances by bypassing the elected bodies intended to limit government power.

    7. Immorality in not providing protection to ambassador & 3 other Americans in Libya PLUS immorality in misleading the American people about what happened and the cause.

    8. Immorality of getting elected by saying things like "post partisan", "cut the deficit in half", and a bunch more that has now been proven to be untruths in even a serious attempt to keep their word.

    I will bet there are conservatives in this discussion that can list quite a few more.

    This is not to say that the Rs do not have a list of immorality as well but right now we have to deal with the immorality that is in power. If & when the Rs are in power and so blatant, we will be firing them as well.

     
  • Fabian Hunter posted at 6:16 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Fabian Hunter Posts: 47

    YES Timmie and maybe Barry O's mom, Stanley Ann should have thought TWICE about having that " ONE NIGHTER " in 1960 with the communist from Kenya on that breezy moonlit beach in Honolulu... !!

    What a dreamy father... !! What a dreamy mother...!!

    BarryO should be bursting with pride.

     
  • Fabian Hunter posted at 6:14 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Fabian Hunter Posts: 47

    YES Timmie and maybe Barry O's mom, Stanley Ann should have thought TWICE about having that " ONE NIGHTER " in 1960 with the communist from Kenya on that breezy moonlit beach in Honolulu... !!

    What a dreamy father... !! What a dreamy mother...!!

    BarryO should be bursting with pride.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 6:02 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Really, Lloyd,? Democratic morality? What kind of morality is that?

    Considering Republican predilection for unnecessary war, I'm curious how you would define Republican morality.

    Usually, when you have to bring morality into a political discussion you've run out of public policy issues to discuss and ideas to deal with them.

    Corey, what history are you reading? No party has been as obstructionist as the Rs during the past four years. You might want to read the latest book by Mann and Ornstein.

     
  • Fabian Hunter posted at 6:01 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Fabian Hunter Posts: 47

    That's it, Good Job Timmie Tootles ___Can't debate...? __then call names...

    Was your father Saul Alinsky and your mother Francis Fox Piven_?

    Or were you simply hatched from California hippie Birkenstock sandal toe jelly?

    ...this one day, will be your demise both physically, mentally and emotionally.

    LMK if I can assist in your inevitable slide into the ABYSS.

    Hootey Hooo... GOV. MOONBEAM is calling... Hootey Hooo

     
  • Fabian Hunter posted at 5:45 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Fabian Hunter Posts: 47

    AMEN BROTHER!

     
  • Fabian Hunter posted at 5:45 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Fabian Hunter Posts: 47

    PROgressive means to MOVE BEYOND...

    YES __MOVE BEYOND our Founders intentions and our sacred Constitution.

    OBAMA LIES____ AMERICA DIES!

    Obama was recently given an honorary CHIEFTAIN name
    by a Native American Tribe:

    "WALKING EAGLE"______he is so full of S¡ht that he cannot fly. ____LMAO!!

     
  • Fabian Hunter posted at 5:38 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Fabian Hunter Posts: 47

    Ignorance is BLISS...!

     
  • Corey Greve posted at 5:17 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Corey Greve Posts: 923

    Dems have been just a obstructionist and R's in our history. Politicians, in general, suck.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 4:08 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    You're preaching to the choir with most of us Mr. Wallace. I'm willing to concede that Martial Moose was correct when he termed the deaf ones brainwashed. He did say that didn't he? Or was it zombies? Whatever, either one seems an apt description.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 3:02 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1369

    When the Rs were looking for compromise from Obama at the begining of his reign, what did Obama say? Ds only want compromise when they are not in power, when they are in power they never offer compromise. Where was compromise on Obama health care? Where was a realistic budget (in any of the last 3 years) that coulde be compromised on?

    Do any of you think seeds of division and class warfare can be sown and expect compromise?
    "As you sow, so shall you reap".

    When it comes to Democrat morality a better word than "progress" would be "regress". Half truths, mis-stated "truths" and outright untruths are the progressive norm.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 2:50 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Any dictionary will tell you that pro is a prefix, the opposite of which is con. So, the opposite of progress is congress. It has nothing to do with Marx, Karl, Groucho or Harpo.

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:18 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Yeah He should have started a few wars instead and borrowed the money to pay for them. And while he was at it he should have started up a few unfunded programs.

    And maybe he could have brought the economy to the brink of a depression instead of slowly bringing it back.

    Yeah that would have been much better.

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:15 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    And you ? A racist ? Yep.

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:14 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    IS the word PROGRESSIVE simply another word for MARXIST?


    Ummmm....NOPE

     
  • Fabian Hunter posted at 12:56 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Fabian Hunter Posts: 47

    IS the word PROGRESSIVE simply another word for MARXIST?

    You like MARXISM?

    Move back to California and join your comrades in their slide into the sea.

    Progressivism is ANTI-AMERICAN

    OBAMA is a PROGRESSIVE MARXIST SOCIALIST BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY "president" A 10th degree LOOSER. ____OBAMA LIES... AMERICA DIES.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 12:16 pm on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9287

    Unfortunately, progress is a word which is unfamiliar or frightening to Idahoans. Regress is a much more comfortable position for most. Maybe a better term would be "nogress".

     
  • ski2work posted at 10:31 am on Sat, Nov 3, 2012.