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Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:00 am

January 2009 — Obama claimed if stimulus bill passes unemployment would peak at 8 percent in eight months, decline by 5.6 percent in mid-2012. It has been 8 percent or higher for 43 months.

April 2010 — Obama: “We are beginning to turn the corner.”

June 2010 — Obama: “Our economy is getting stronger by the day.” Biden predicted job gains of 500,000/month

August 2010 — Geithner: “Welcome to the recovery”

Soon after taking office Obama stated, “If we can’t get this done in three years, this is going to be a one-term proposition”

Obama called Bush’s deficits “un-American.” They pale in size to deficits Obama ran up, trillion/year, every year! Obama’s budget plan submitted to Congress this year doesn’t even envision a balanced budget.

February 2009 — Obama pledged to cut deficit by half by end of his first term. Didn’t happen!

November 2008 — promised to recruit army of new teachers. Didn’t happen!

June 2008 — promised to help workers learn new skills they need. High unemployment remains!

July 2008 — stated U.S. must end dependence on foreign oil by 2018.

August 2008 — promised to make college more affordable. College costs have increased.

Now in Charlotte Obama promised to cut deficits by four trillion; recruit 100,000 math, science teachers; give two million workers chance to learn skills; cut oil imports in half by 2020; cut college tuitions in half.

Just a rehash of previous promises that didn’t come true. Why should anyone believe him now?



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  • reddawn posted at 9:52 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1997

    Moose , I do my best to give you a pass. Its like when a Man gets drunk and puts his boat up on the river bed and then swears he hadnt had a drink. Or tells a group of Men he was sick from Cancer, when all along he was sick from drinking to much. Now that I call a Lie. And today we have experienced after the Bush tax cuts for the Rich a huge class warfare. The middle income hurting, the trickle down effect which we all know was false. You old Men and Women have been retired for some time, spoiled when you could buy a home for alot less, travel for alot less, and use the tax payer for your expensive health care that is way over the top for greed. Under our current President he will change our medical, to make it more affortable, and those of us still working will not have to pay for your high cost of care. Those whom look and see there medication costs have come down. Under this administration. Now it not enough, hospital care is so out of balance, to be billed for an asprin paying $25.00 is over the top. You folks who have lived a long time, used our hospitals, had major surgery eat up every dime you paid in. Than the tax payer makes up for it. Romneys voucher is a sad program, and that will not last. Then Medicad, nursing homes, we pay that. The folks who have no insurance due to costs that are right down sickening to us who keep paying higher insurance. Romney said we have hospitals for the sick who have no insurance, appartently you have not seen hospitals dropping off seniors on the street with hospital gowns on, or insurance companies who deny a child for care, until this admistration changed that.. Where on earth have you been, lost in anger, you old folks are so unaware of this country it is sad.Insurance companies have been nailed for years, where were you when that happened. Deny, Deny, and still Deny. If we could all Deny many of you , you wouldnt be here, you would have left this world. Yet it is always about Me, Me, And once again you take from others and add your twist of words no one said, I believe you added sic, that is all yours Moose, your words your thoughts, this is how I suggest to you bi-feed back for such negitive mind thouhts would be healthy for you.

  • Timmie posted at 6:31 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Oh...and thanks for reading my posts. I really appreciate it.

    Love ya...mean it...

  • Timmie posted at 6:30 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Hey moose...."Don't Spit In The Air, It Might Fall Back In Your Face".

  • Timmie posted at 6:30 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Moos....."Don't Spit In The Air, It Might Fall Back In Your Face".

    I wrote what I wrote...you can believe what ya want.

  • reddawn posted at 8:20 pm on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1997

    Wallace, your idea was great, did you spread your labor of love to anyone alse. You sound like some of these young men today. Well she offered to pay my bills, so if you are offered free money why not. I have never taken free money for myself. I have never even recieved a dime from my Parents, not land either, I made every dollar I have by working hard. I am blessed, I would never tell my personal life on this site. Or do I brag, or do I hate anyone on this site. Now respect that is a whole other story.

  • L Wallace posted at 10:02 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1412

    Reddawn I was speaking from experience, if my experience makes it all about me that cannot be helped. Besides, I paid a lot more in taxes than I got back.

    I don't live off the "entitlement" programs. I live off of the investment program, I invested in both S.S. and Medicare for some 40 years before taking any of my investment $$ out of my investment S.S. & Medicare funds.

    You go ahead and live in your "NOW" world and move "FORWARD" over your financial cliff.

  • reddawn posted at 7:43 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1997

    Wallace, it is apparent that you didnt read the letters Ryan wrote. He supported the Stimulate program with a sentance saying how this is a great program for our country. It was not about Me, Me, it was for the best of Americans. Then he turns backwards , recants, so you the folks who they feel are uneducated will not catch the lies. Your story was all about Me, Me, how you took for Me and more ME. Shame on Ryan, he loves to take advantage of those whom have no idea of the truth. It seems that you and a few of the old folks who live off the entitlement programs are always talking about ME and Me. Frankley you old guys need to get togather and talk about your good old days. Most of us are living in the NOW, a Globel world, and how America needs to move forward.

  • Timmie posted at 6:59 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    The "heart" of the Republican party has been on display for quite some time now: they financialized our economy, shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas, then crashed the economy, cratered our 401(k)'s, ran up the deficit, allowed Wall Street fat cats to get even richer and escape jail, froze small business loans, and screwed over the interest rates on seniors' savings accounts, and sat idle while millions of seniors saw the value of their home home dry up and blow away.

    Now they are going after teacher unions because as Americans lose purchasing power as consumers, public education is an irresistible target for profiteers. To them it's just a huge money pot to be mined, and the want to destroy unions because teachers are the ones who could blow the whistle on their expensive (mostly) BS.

    When the financial elite are finished destroying teachers unions, they'll come for the nurses and whoever else makes a nearly living wage. Police and Fire, don't think you'll be spared. Privatization, charter schools, profit for cronies.The Koch, Adelson, Romney world plan has two classes, the really haves and the serfs.

    And what are they campaigning on right now? A huge tax cut for the wealthy, and a huge cut to any services for the poor and middle that tax money is used to support. That's the soul of the Republican party.


  • bigdan posted at 3:37 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2867

    Excellent response Mr. Wallace! You have the patience of Job...

  • bigdan posted at 3:35 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2867

    HWIS, are you kidding me? Never improved under right wing policies? Have you been in a time capsule? Reagan and Bush both had low unemployment numbers, high tax revenues and economic growth. It's not my opinion, it's a matter of record. And Clinton owes a large amount of his success due to Newt and the Republicans that were swept into Congress during his term.

    Seriously, stop getting your news from the DailyKos...

  • bigdan posted at 3:32 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2867

    ...shame is when reddawn doesn't understand how our government works...

  • L Wallace posted at 11:13 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1412

    When one is gone for a day or two they get behind in the discussion. Normally I wouldn't answer Reddawn but she brings up a point that needs at least a statement to put it to rest. Biden & Red take issue with Ryan's letters requesting stimulus money. Quoting Red "Shame is when Ryan writes letters( four of them)asking for money." I have experience with being against a government program and yet competing for funding from that program.

    Back in 1980 I was moving up Grouse Creek (maybe without a paddle [smile]) and was in the process of setting up a green energy hydro-electric system for homestead electricity. The Jimmy Carter Administration announced grants for those willing to demonstrate alternative energy (sounds like O. Admin.) I applied for the grant to help make my system of a better quality and to share my experience and project with those who were interested. Out of Region 10 (4 states) there were 4000 applicants and only 200 received any funding, (5%) mine being one of them to the tune of nearly $8,000. When the project was finished (yes, on time) my system was featured in the Spokesman Review progress edition and Chanel 4 news team took some footage of the system and played it on T.V.

    Lots of folks asked me, "aren't you against government programs such as these"? I answered "yes", I certainly am against these types of programs. However, when government is offering to pass out my tax dollars, I will be there competing for my tax dollars back. Ryan should have identified Wisconsin as having (or would be) paid in their share of tax dollars into stimulus and Ryan was only competeing for Wisconsin's tax dollars back, tax dollars already paid in (or would be paid in) the future.

    I went beyond the requirements for sharing info with the public. I got so many inquiries that I bought my first computer (Tandy, Color Computer II) and wrote a computer program to do some 70 math calculations which turned a 2 to 4 hour math session into a less than 5 minute session that I only had to sign my name to.

    So YES, it is possible to be against a government program but once you lose the battle against the program you still must represent those tax paying constitutents who put you into office.

  • backlash posted at 11:13 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    It is so true conservatives had nothing to do with what happened in the economy. When Bush
    left office we were in flames and if only we would have listened to him and kept giving more and more and more bigger tax breaks. More deregulation and continue with building a bigger military like Romney wants to do, cut millions of government jobs and money for police, fire, education. You know the corporations
    were forced to leave this country because of such harsh laws that stifled profits. Odd though profits are the highest in history, taxes lower than anytime in the last 50 years. If we just lowered their taxes some more
    they would create jobs. Look at the poor Koch brothers personal fortune that only went from 32 billion to 64 billion under Obama, oh this redistribution of wealth to the poor must stop.

    Did you know the Kochs are classified as a small business so when they say small business will be hurt they are talking primarily about big business using pass through tax status.

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 1:57 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 3586

    Actually, Bush's tax cuts did help the economy. The greatest intake of revenue in our history came in 2007 under Bush-43.
    The housing bubble-pop caused the the downturn, something that Bush warned the Democratically controlled Congress, which did nothing. I repeat, which did nothing.
    Sylkie, you need to be better informed, Congressional hearings about this whole matter have shown that the lack of funds was not given as a reason for denying extra security in Benghazi. Also, Charlene R. Lamb, Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Programs at the U.S. Department of State, testified "We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi on the night of 9/11." She also has a problem calling a terrorist a terrorist.

  • mike from sagle posted at 11:40 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Cop- it's absurd to think that after Obama spent $90 BILLION on his cronies green jobs debacle that he could'nt have found the funds to send some security to Benghazi in order to do his PRIMARY JOB which is to PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, a job at which he has failed misearably, be it Fast & Furious, that sieve of a border where jihadists and gangs waltz through unchecked, or his velvet glove apologetic treatment of our mortal enemies- the islamic terrorists, whom we are not even allowed to CALL "terrorists."
    This episode of American history will be looked upon by future generations with much puzzlement.

  • Here's What I Say posted at 9:24 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Here's What I Say Posts: 1240

    Most economic forecaster say that the economy is improving, if only slowly. It never improved under right wing policies, it created massive spending and borrowing. Obama put Bushes debt spending on the budget, which created huge deficits. Let's just turn the country over to Grover Norquist, corporations, ALEC, and the Club for Growth and Greed. Dimishing resources mean the Repubs polcies will fail...all of us.

  • Bruce Johnson posted at 7:45 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 744

    Well said Wilson

  • Old Cop posted at 3:27 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    continued inadvertently.
    where Charlene Lamb testified that adequate funds were available. Ms Lamb is the high state dept official in Wash. DC in charge of embassy security. Her reason why American security people had been withdrawn was to let Libyan citizens take over the job. She testified on Wednesday and 48 hours later sylkie is still spouting his flagrantly untrue whopper. The sylkie man/woman has no shame

  • Old Cop posted at 3:12 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    Sylkie seems to be unable to utter a truthful statement on ny subject or under any circumstances. His theory..... "Tell a whopper. Deliver it as loud and as often as I can. Some fools will believe it"......
    The present whopper he is bandying about is that Republicans reduced the funding for embassy security twice resulting in the State Dept. not having funds enough to provide adequate protection. This is so patently untrue. I was listening to the congressional hearings where Charlene Lamb testified that money was

  • reddawn posted at 10:24 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1997

    Shame is when a person fires shots at a campaign office when people are inside. Shame is when Ryan writes letters( four of them)asking for money. Shame is when Ryan thinks that the tax plan Romney wants has been done before. Shame is that Republicans cannot give Binden credit for calling out the lies. Shame is when Republicans want to continue War that cost lifes, money, and live on some planet that thinks we need more navy ships, more killing and not work with our allies called the UN. Shame is when they do everything to use Fear for their cause of control of human souls. Shame is picking Romney who swings, and says 47% of American are users of the system. Shame is creating another War, taking from the sick, controlling Women, taking from the old, the military, the disabled and all along call themselfs Christians, the biggest Shame of all.

  • L Wallace posted at 10:16 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1412

    I think Biden was sent out there to send up a trial baloon to see how this sarcasm plays out. Watch for Obama to be more like Biden in the next debate. Ryan or Romney should call out these smiles, smirks and sneers by asking what is so funny about the nation's financial cliff or 4 Americans dying in Libya (Obama's war) or Iran getting a nuke to "wipe Israel off the map"? Those smiles would dissapear if they were called on it.

    Reddawn and the Dems hang around this web site to hear the truth discussion.

    Bigdan is right on in the 100%+ increase of the funding covering the expenditures for consulates and embasys. That is an excessive funding increase over a single term of presidency. The Ds can outspend any funding amount, wonder why they never submit a budget & compromise that could be passed in both the house and senate?

  • wilson posted at 9:29 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    wilson Posts: 1184

    After that shameful display of adulthood given by Biden in the debate, I cannot understand why Dems can still think they have a credible voice here - Guys like this leading our country is not a good thing --

  • reddawn posted at 5:34 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1997

    sylkie7b, lakeviewer,backlash,timmie,and all of you Dems, great job! This usual group of Tea Party lost souls on this site have nothing to say of truth what so ever, and they never will. President Obama will win, I dont feel Americans are as a whole lost in the sand. Blinded by Fear, Most Americans do not want War! And all of us that are in the 47% will never forget the words of Romney!! And 97% of us that own our business that make up to $250,000 a year are Dems, you know the 47% group.I wonder after the election if they all are going to move, considering they cant stand Americans. Biden was right, we are done hearing how bad it is, except those billionares who dont want to pay their fair share like the rest of us. Oh thats right, they think Americans dont understand Math.

  • bigdan posted at 5:22 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    bigdan Posts: 2867

    sylkie7b, maybe you and Biden didn't notice that the State Departments budget has been increased by 118% over the last 5 years or that secretary Lamb when asked if funding was the reason we had a complete failure in Benghazi, her response was no.

    So keep wringing your hands over Biden's fruitless attack on Ryan. Once again it's Biden and Obama who are at war with the truth.

  • sylkie7b posted at 5:02 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    A bit thin skinned, are we? Jokes and pokes are only good for one side? You dont mind if the honor of the President of the United States is dragged through the mud, but the aristocratic bully-boy and that squirmy pile next to him need protection? Do many people compliment your fair-minded politics?

    If Mitt Romney wants to keep ALEC and Karl Rove happy, I am sure he is willing to wear cute patent leather mules with a knee length skirt and a tight angora sweater if that is what it takes to curry their favor.

    As everyone who went to 7th grade social studies knows, Sikhs wear turbans, Muslims do not.

  • LakeViewer posted at 4:56 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    LakeViewer Posts: 936

    Religious beliefs should be a factor in a campaign for President. It seems it has been dogging Obama. Why not Romney? Obama should make an issue of it in the next debate. However, I would prefer they leave their religion at home when they go to the office.

    Me, I wear mostly nothing. Just a head scarf when it gets cold out. Since I am not a Mormon, they won't let me into heaven anyway.

  • sylkie7b posted at 4:49 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    Steve Hatcher: People in Sandpoint are all in a twist because the local government moved a trivial amount of money from one fund to another, possibly against state law, in order to expedite a project. Blown up a million times larger, when Congress allocates money for a particular purpose within an appropriation, redirecting it gets people sent to federal prison. It isnt as if the functionaries in the bowels of the State Departement were somehow empowered to act. Bureaucracy is he same the world over. Congress cut the funds, that is on the record, and they were in their Constitutional prerogative to do so. My problem is with Congressman Ryan's hypocrisy in decrying a lack of resources when he was one of the architects of the deficiency. A little honesy and humility for his part would have gone a long way.

  • sylkie7b posted at 4:40 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    Lets all be fair. We don't know about Romney's underwear. But I guarantee that he never gets on stage without his FLIP FLOPS.

  • NewDawn posted at 4:20 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    @ LakeViewer - You, Sir, should be ashamed of yourself for attacking Gov. Romney's
    religion. I was under the impression that this was the United States of America where we
    were FREE to practice our faith any way we wish! What business is it of yours what people
    wear? How about the Jewish men - they wear scull caps. You're going to make sport of
    them too? Priests wear robes, do you mind? Nuns wear habits, Muslims wear robes &
    "turbans", are you hilarious already? How stupid can you act? Or are you acting?

  • LakeViewer posted at 12:42 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    LakeViewer Posts: 936

    Why should America believe Romney now? Lately, his nose has grown longer that Pinocchio's. He will say or do anything to get elected, it seems. Yikes

    By the way, rumors have it that that he has changed out his Mormon underwear for skull cap.

  • Timmie posted at 11:28 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    How does it feel to live in a world full of conspiracies ?

  • dawgshepherd posted at 9:54 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 716

    Steve everyone knew the moderator was in the bag for Biden, she could have done him a favor by slapping his knuckles with a ruler.

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 9:30 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 3586

    Sylkie, we can all be disgusted with congress for some of the things they do, but just because there are general cuts in diplomatic security doesn't mean we can't make our Libyan Ambassador a little more safe, especially when the ominous signs were all there. It is the executive branch that is entrusted with the duty to keep America and Americans safe. use a little less spin and a little more common sense and you'll develop some credibility.

    BTW did anyone know that Moderator Martha Raddatz is a friend of Obama, inviting him to her wedding? hmmm!

  • mike from sagle posted at 9:21 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Pundits are professionals who are adept at sorting out the politi-speak which clowns like Biden hurl at us.
    Some pundits hide behind names like "Fact-Check" and "Snopes," however most of them simply refer to themselves as commentators, whom WE refer to as 'talking heads.'

    The veep debate was a debacle, and uncle Joe delieved what was expected of him- a scene. For what it's worth, women and independents did NOT like Biden's performance, and only the most extreme liberal Democrat OWS approved of such bullying tactics as were used by our vpotus, esp. in our curent anti-bully climate.

  • sylkie7b posted at 9:07 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    I think you people should be more embarassed at the hypocrisy of a Congressman who voted to cut diplomatic security two years in a row trying to score points over the death of diplomats. Or the same Congressman claiming to "care" about the social safety net while doubling defense spending to insane levels. He and his henchman Mitt are a disgrace.

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 8:14 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 3586

    I'm embarrassed for our country that Biden is our veep; I don't see Obama acting that way. As for Phil Poutre's letter, he points out factually why BHO needs to be retired.

    Someone below asked, "where is Bush." The answer is that Republican presidents respectfully and with class stay out of the political arena when they leave office. The job is tough enough as it is. Democratic presidents stick their noses into the national debate like Carter & Clinton, looking foolish most of the time.

  • Timmie posted at 8:01 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    As to the debate: I don't look for winner or loser, I look to be entertained and to learn something. Thought the debate last night did that. They gave facts and lies and got po'd at each other. It was a hoot.

    I have no need to take up space with quotes from so called pundits like some here. I really don't care what the pundits say. I watched and I learned.

    That's what counts.

  • Dover Dave posted at 7:14 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 1035

    All in all a wash, and it was a VP debate anyway. I'd be surprised if it moves the polls either way.

  • Bruce Johnson posted at 6:52 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 744

    I felt embarrassed for Biden, the looney democrats (Axelrod and who knows ) prepped him to be a rude, obnoxious, and disrupting participant. He actually had some good points but they were buried by his distracting and childish behavior. The performance may be heralded by staunch democrats as a great win and an exciter of the base after Obama's failure, but the independent and undecided voters were not impressed. Joe has been around along time and I always liked his shall we say 'spontaneous reactive' blurtings which I found refreshing in a world of calculated statements from politicans. He came off as a fool and its too bad.

  • Old Cop posted at 5:04 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    It's no secret that a man on trial facing a death sentence will lie endlessly and yet left wing radicals are even worse. They tell far more and bigger Wyndis than men fighting for their lives and feel no shame.
    For example: The gentleman posting as backlash recently quoted statistics on deaths during the Iraqi War in an article published by a medical journal in Great Britain called The Lancet. What 'Lash failed to inform us was the Lancet discovered that the author of the article had fabricated the story out of hot air. They repudiated the story and abjectly apologized for publishing it. The author a Norwegian was so totally discredited that his writings have been removed from every medical journal that had ever published an article by him. I really find this constant barrage of misinformation from Obama's Libs has gotten tedious and Joe Biden certainly added to their transgression last night
    Has 'Lash apologized for attempting to mislead us? I haven't seen one. When you catch them in one to often they merely go on to another. If you wish to verify my veracity, check the website below and scroll down to controversies.

  • mike from sagle posted at 11:44 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    yea Moose- looks like some feedback's already coming in:

    CNN POLL: Ryan 48% Biden 44%...

    Chris Wallace: “I've never seen a candidate as disrespectful as Biden...”

    CNN’s Gloria Borger: “Biden came Off As Condescending...”

    Brit Hume: “Biden came off as a rude and cranky old man...”

    Peggy Noonan: “the old man tried to patronize the kid and the kid stood his ground. The old man pushed, and the kid pushed back.”

    Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway: “Joe Biden’s laughing through talking about Iran sanctions?”

    Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein: “Biden’s strategy seems to be to laugh at Ryan constantly. Will it work to infantalize Ryan, or backfire like Gore sighing?”

    NBC’s David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.”

    BuzzFeed’s Ben Smith: “So did Biden practice laughing at Ryan???”

    Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring: “Joe Biden needs to realize this isn’t a Senate Foreign Relations
    Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster.”

    Radio host Neal Boortz: “Looking like Biden’s gameplan is to laugh his way through this.”

    Townhall.com’s Guy Benson: “Will Biden laugh his -ss off at the terrible economy, too?”

    MSNBC’s S.E. Cupp: “Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.”

    Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling.”

    PBS’ Jeff Greenfield: “Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate.”

    Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer: “Biden is at risk of having his laugh come across like Gore’s sighs. He should knock it off.”

    Republican strategist Ron Bonjean: “Biden laughing does not come off with the intended effect. It is actually hurting him. Looks very condescending.”

    Movie critic Roger Ebert: “Joe! Stop smiling and laughing!”

    Washington Times’ Emily Miller: “Biden laughing when he disagrees with Ryan is so annoying. Like a child in time out.”

    Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin: “Biden’s laughing is losing the debate- obnoxious

  • mike from sagle posted at 11:00 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    the lame & clumsy attempts at Stewart/Colbertish type humor (9:01) has the mellor smeller beeping.
    Rather than focus on what actually happened, they're already saying what Biden "should have" done,
    but what Biden DID was make a fool of himself by trying to look tough and try to dominate the debate.
    Rambo with hair-plugs!
    But it's going to be a while before we know anything re fact checking who said what right or wrong,
    but so far Biden's denial of them knowing anything about the nature of the assassinations within the time
    frame he suggested is already front and center. Still picking up the pieces.

  • sylkie7b posted at 9:01 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    sylkie7b Posts: 295

    I agree that the Vice President didn't give Paul Ryan what he deserved. He should have pressed Ryan through a fine seive, spread the pink paste all over the floor and given it a "trickle down" treatment. That's what a hypocrite who voted to cut diplomatic protection and then crows about the murder of an ambassador and staff deserves. Instead he merely chuckled at the evasions and lies of the excitable cretin next to him.

  • mike from sagle posted at 8:04 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Our crazy uncle Joe tried to dominate the dinner conversation this eve, and even tho he gained a little ground, he lost it and then some with his unprecedented and sneering condescension, mugging, grimacing, intterupting, complaining, and unabashed rudeness, esp. at the end. He obviousy thought he could bulldoze his way through the debate with a bag full of sharp elbows, but he so overdid it and it's going to backfire on them.

  • backlash posted at 5:04 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    It is time for Joe to take the gloves off and call them on their lies. Romney disavowed everything he has said for years and magically turned into someone who cares about the middle class. They are interested
    in helping the people in the upper income brackets only. The very top 1% own more than the bottom 90% and they whine that they are being treated unfairly and the regulations are killing them. Like the Koch brothers personal fortune of 32 billion increased to 64 billion under Obama. Taxes are the lowest in 50 years and corporate profits are the highest they have ever been. The real Romney is the one at the 50K a plate dinner and he couldn't care less about the peons on the bottom. If you are on the top you get corporate welfare and if you are on the bottom suck it up sink or swim.

    Corporations have learned employees are too expensive so we outsource the jobs or automate them.

    Romney's answer is massive tax cuts for the top adding trillions to the deficit, get tough and tell the world we are the THE EXCEPTIONAL COUNTRY and we are better than other countries, know one
    is our equal we can tell the world what to do, we are the worlds cop so we need to increase the military
    budget trillions.




  • dawgshepherd posted at 3:14 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 716

    Very good posts from MichaelN and Bruce...
    The suspense for tonights VP exchange is killing me , what on earth can the Biden handlers be feeding him for the last week ! Can he pull it off ? Can Ryan keep his cool with Joe unleashed ? These and many other questions will be answered in the next few hours, however it comes out it should be entertaining....surely the left has an ace up its sleeve, a bought off moderator, a broken Ryan mike, or better yet a broken Biden mike.
    I can't wait....

  • friend to all posted at 2:21 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    friend to all Posts: 39

    didnt Obama have total control of congress his first couple years. oh yeah he did and we got obama care shoved down our throats.

  • MichaelN posted at 2:08 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    MichaelN Posts: 502

    @ Bruce, great post. Couldn't have said it better.

  • Timmie posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    MF Sagle...Just where is Bush these days.? There isn't a republican around that wants him to show his face. They are scared to death he'd open his mouth and ruin it for them.

  • Timmie posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    He's center now because after pandering to the right wing during the primary's he realized he didn't have a prayer unless he changed numerous positions and moved to the center. Who knows where he'll be tomorrow.

  • mike from sagle posted at 12:26 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    hilarious- you can put the truth RIGHT in front of liberals and they will STILL try to pretend it doesn't exist!
    These are OBAMA'S OWN WORDS lying through his teeth over and over again, yet what do the liberals do?
    They try to make the GOP the bad guys and continue banging Bush around as though that somehow furthers their cause. If Bush is such a great argument for the left, then why didn't Obama bring him up during the debate?
    Because unlike his followers, at least HE knows it would show how desperate they are.

  • Bruce Johnson posted at 12:17 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 744

    I firmly believe Republicans haven't been perfect and are not totally innocent of the culture we have created. However , Romney is a much more mainstream, center, and moderate proven leader that has demonstrated he can compromise with a strong opposing party and get things done. The 'my way or the highway' policy of Obama or I will circumvent Congress and do everything by executive order during recess doesn't sit well with most voters. We like The Constitution just like it is, not how this president has chosen to interpret .

  • Here's What I Say posted at 11:23 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Here's What I Say Posts: 1240

    And why would anyone believe the same old Republican theory of lowering taxes for the "job creators" who have had very low taxes and interest for years but instead of creating jobs, have invested in Wall St? Where are all those jobs that Bush gave us (700,000 per month job loses under Bush). The Repubs were told that the Bush tax cuts would put this country into severe deficits after ten years, but they continue to hold this country hostage to their traitorist ideas. And how about all the Republican voter suppression in this "home of the free". We tried the Republican way before, and we are still cleaning up their messes.

  • Timmie posted at 11:17 am on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    When you have a House that obstructs and whose goal is "to make sure that Obama is a one term president" and who will do anything to harm this country by putting party before the American people, then improvement comes slowly. And in case you haven't noticed, the economy is improving.