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Posted: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:00 am

The Democrat convention message surprised me. It sounded like the last of the “yes we can” crowd claiming both “no, we didn’t” and “no one could have” but we can get it done if you give us four more years.

“Yes we can” stimulate the economy with bailouts and trillion $$ stimulus spending but now it is evident “no we can’t and “no we didn’t,” “no one could’ve” but maybe we can in four more years.

“Yes we can,” “cut the federal deficit in half, first term,” but after 3.5 years and spending $5 trillion borrowed, it is clear that “No we can’t,” “no we didn’t” and “no we won’t” in the future. But we’re nice folks, can’t we keep our jobs even if you lose yours?

“Yes we can,” “keep unemployment under 8 percent with stimulus & bailout spending,” now it is obvious that “no we can’t,” and “no we didn’t” spend our way to economic prosperity. Even Bill Clinton said, “No one could have.”

Never has the choice been clearer. You and I (we) own this country and we together are interviewing candidates for the jobs of running this nation. Would you hire a person with this resumé to manage your personal finances?

Maybe we should say “yes we can” change course with a successful and experienced chief executive officer for president and a qualified chief financial officer for vice president. That would seem to be a better background experience to run this American national corporation than a “cool,” “nice guy,” street organizer.

LLOYD WALLACE

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  • Timmie posted at 9:44 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    When asked in a March 2010 interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" whether he believes in universal coverage, Romney said, "Oh, sure."

    "Look, it doesn't make a lot of sense for us to have millions and millions of people who have no health insurance and yet who can go to the emergency room and get entirely free care for which they have no responsibility, particularly if they are people who have sufficient means to pay their own way," he said.

    What's that Mitt...you're advocating universal health care ? like you did in Massachusetts ?

    Make everybody have health insurance ??

    "Oh Sure" he said

     
  • L Wallace posted at 10:24 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Reddawn, thanks for your comments. Luv83864 is right when she says we have two minds "wise mind" and "emotional mind". On another thread you said you "believed with all your heart that the T party is KKK". It is a problem when we use "emotional mind" for wise mind needs in the selection of national leaders and who is our enemy. In my opinion you use emotional mind far too often in your discussion.

    How is it that you "respect" those who "agree to disagree with you" and yet call us all kinds of names such as "liers" (liars), "KKK" & etc.?? You would get along with Luv83864 IF she agreed with you or you would be applying a different standard with her than you give the rest of us conservatives in these conversations.

    You infer that those who seek to help this nation are tax cheats (without real evidence) condemn them for their success in offshore financial holdings (clearly legal) and claim that 14% tax (capital gains tax) is somehow cheating when it is clearly the law, last but not least, that somehow BIG oil is out to get us. These are examples of your using emotions instead of clear (wise) mind reality in your posts.

    We must be careful to not let the candidates (presidential) divide us the stock holder "employer" by the politics of personal destruction of the other candidate. Their records are "fair game" in the discussion and even opinion about where another course would take us, but not personal character attacks. I mark down a prospective employee when they bad-mouth another candidate for the job.

    So also, folks do not pay much attention to emotional outbursts.

     
  • reddawn posted at 2:38 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    @ Luv, I agree with you , doing what is best for your family and this country is very important. If one moment some of these folks on here thought you might go with President Obama you would become a target for abuse in many ways. You do have time to decide, when the debate comes along , I hope you get a quite place without influence. This way it is your power as a women that will make that choice, many Women died for the right to vote, as well as many humans souls in the last fourty years. And it seems still are. I hope one day we will meet, we would get along, we would be able to agree to disagree, and that I respect in any person.

     
  • reddawn posted at 2:26 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    Romney after months asking for his tax returns gives two years. Wow, 14%, I would love to have only 14% in taxes. The sad part is he owns a corporation offshore in Bermuda, his corporation, no TAX, Then his Swiss bank accounts,NO TAX, HIs corporation owns stocks in big Oil companies threw out the world, several countries, Tax Fee, Bush, Romney, BIG OIL, Bush husrt us so bad and to even think America could handle that in anyway again is like not learning a thing. Romneys own father beleived any man who runs for a President needs to give years of tax returns. NO Person who has ever run for President has no given up his tax returns for no less than Ten years. Romney, what is he hiding? Is it possible he didnt pay taxes, show me, I want to know! I dont trust him!!

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:26 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Mikey, it’s more like “Tell the Lies.” Kind of like a 14% effective tax rate for 2011. Just another thing about Romney that is less than genuine.

    In case you missed, Nate Silver has Obama up to 309 electoral votes and Ladbrokes has Romney at a straight 3-1. The way things are going I might even get my 2010 wish, with the D's retaking the House. Right now it looks pretty certain they will retain a majority in the Senate, enough to modify the filibuster rule. Isn't this exciting?

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:57 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    oh yea, I agree that with you that Mitt Romney is not Ronald Reagan, not close to Ronald Reagan, not even close to Jimmy Carter. He's not TRYING to be Ronald Reagan- no one can fill those shoes. He's definitely not close to Jimmy Carter- the only person who has even been mentioned in that range is Obama, but Obama's real problem is that even Obama is not close to Obama, at least the one we were promised four years ago. Sorry Bob, but Obama smells of Carter BIG time, and everyone knows it.
    http://patriotupdate.com/articles/counting-the-similarities-between-obama-and-carter
    http://www.rightspeak.net/2012/02/bark-carter-or-jimmy-obama-same.html
    http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2012/09/more-similarities-between-carter-and.html
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_new_jimmy_carter.html
    http://townhall.com/video/carter-and-obama-too-many-similarities

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:46 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Bob-repeat: "Know the Lies" Oh, did Mrs. Romney "lose her cool?" Wow- a REAL emotion! That's hard to recognize lately with all the feigning of indignance and outrage coming from the left. But I guess something like Romney "losing her cool" doesn't compare to the pathological liars like Obama’s deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter or DNC spokesperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz, both who must think the American public as a whole as so incredibly stupid that there is no gag reflex whatsoever to the amount of lies with which these two bimbos can utter. Yea, we can't have anyone losing their cool while the country falls apart, especially when "Mr. Cool" himself jets off parties with his celebrity friends.

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 11:36 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    L. Wallace ...Not offended. I could have been offended, Ive been know to be an over sensitive person. I laughed but I didn't understand it that's all. I was like what's this concept being tossed out here that I must have portrayed. I am glad, laughter is healthy medicine. I a lot of medicine is needed lately so I welcome laughter. And I'm no talking the backstabbing, calling names or dirty laughter is not medicine.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 10:48 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Luv83864, lighten up. It was humor! [wink]

    I knew it would not be a guy who sat in a robe with a cat on his lap. You ladies were the only ones who post often and might see it. Are you offended? Really?

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:48 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Mikey, in case you haven't noticed, this is not 1980 and Mitt Romney is not Ronald Reagan, not close to Ronald Reagan, not even close to Jimmy Carter.

    And, don't forget, Dewey was a Republican.

    I thought Mrs. Romney did a particularly good job today in a radio interview, losing her cool.

    I'd say that's a trifecta, Mikey. Abandon all hope ye who vote Republican.

    But maybe there is hope. There's always 2016. I see Christy, Jindal and Santorum spent time in Iowa today. Looks like the 2016 race is already on, but the cast of characters hasn't gotten any better.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 6:12 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Bob you are obviously confused so I'll elucidate the word "Carter;" Carter was ahead in the polls within two weeks of the election. Here's three more words from a "real" newspaper: "Dewey defeats Truman"

    Three more words: "Know The Lies"

    http://www.knowthelies.com/node/8139

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 5:59 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    L Wallace- Makes no sense why you mention my name below in post 8:29 sept 21. I know what I'm voting unless something drastically changes. What kind of person would I be besides closeminded, if I weren't open to learning so I can vote what is best for my family, and this country. There are twos sides, both pros and cons. Media is distorted and reality is perspective. IMO anyone can change their mind at any point in time. It's being open to change and sometimes even vulnerability to create what a change in the sprit of this country. I listen to what others say, Red Dawn I respect her success and believe she's intelligent. As with many others on here, it doesn't mean I agree with them.

     
  • reddawn posted at 3:14 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    @Luv, Under Romney he wants to take out your home interest deduction. The middle income family would be hit hard at around 2,000 a year. The Debate starts on Oct 3rd , be sure to watch that, then you will see and hear how it will effect you. Each state has guide line to file bankrupt chapter 13. Some states you can loose your house. And some counties say if you dont pay your property tax they forclose and take it for back taxes and sell it for a profit and you dont see a dime, This county was one of those, I am not sure but I think Tom when he was a commissonor closed that, I could be wrong, I hope I am not. When a child gets cancer the last thing on your mind is to pay bills like taxes. Drs first, for the care of the child, house payments, car payments, are last, everyday your mind is in one place. So if you own your car your save, if you live in Montana your not. And it is not 250 a year, it is based on your income. What you get back a year for your child it would pay your health insurance and your interest you write off. So lets see what the Debate tells you.Oh and by the way when you go to Wall Mart talk to the older folks, and ask them why they are still working at the age of 75 and up. Thank goodness Obama closed a whole in Medicare, it cut the cost of medication by 50% so folks on a small fixed income could afford to eat and pay the heat bills.

     
  • reddawn posted at 2:49 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    Thats right Wallace , your wife gets paid for what she does, and you get S.S.You pay a Little amount for Medicare, So your in a higher tax bracket than most of the older folks around here, So your taxes are very little. Talk to Idaho about our income tax, thats why some of these folks own a home in Wa, and are a resident of Wa to not pay income tax. Unlike alot of Millionares they dont have to pay any tax. Have you noticed things are quite around here, they all went back home where there is no income tax. You dont pay enough taxes to the Federal Government to brag about.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 8:53 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Red Dawn, For the record, Alice & I still pay taxes. Income taxes, medicare taxes, capital gains taxes, property taxes, school taxes, sales taxes, gas & diesl taxes, vehicle taxes (driver & veh. licenses) tire taxes, phone taxes, PLUS taxes to support 1600+ government welfare programs.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 8:29 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    I would like to repair one verse.

    He snatched up my money,
    And quick as a wink,
    Jumped back on his bandwagon
    As I gagged from the Wall St. occupier stink.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Soon 'twil be the night before elections. Could this be Lurie, Luv, or Red?

    T'was the night before elections,
    And all thru' the town,
    Tempers were flaring
    Emotions ran up and down.

    I, in my bathrobe
    With a cat in my lap,
    Had shut off the TV,
    tired of political crap.

    When all of a sudden,
    There arose such a noise,
    I peered out my window,
    Saw Obama and his boys

    They had come for my wallet,
    They wanted my pay
    To hand out to others
    Who had not worked a day!

    He snatched up my money,
    And quick as a wink,
    Jumped back on his bandwagon
    As I gagged from the stink.

    He then rallied his henchmen
    Who were pulling his cart.
    I could tell they were out
    To tear my country apart!

    'On Fannie, on Freddie,
    On Biden and Ayers!
    On Acorn, on Pelosi'
    He screamed at the pairs!

    They took off for his cause,
    And as they flew out of sight,
    I heard him laugh at a nation
    Who wouldn't stand up and fight!
    So I leave you to think on this one final note...
    IF YOU DON'T WANT SOCIALISM GET OUT AND VOTE !!!!

    Author unknown

     
  • Timmie posted at 8:04 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Behind closed doors, in secret, Romney just let us know he is, in fact, an entitled rich guy with no understanding of how people who aren’t rich actually live.

    The so-called 47%? 60 percent of them are working and contributing payroll taxes, which means they pay a higher effective tax rate on their income than Romney does! Another 20 percent are elderly. So more than 80 percent are either working or past retirement age.

    And Romney has denied any responsibility for helping those people. The struggling working class -- that's the America Romney doesn't get. he doesn't get the responsibility of the job he is running for. Unfit to govern. Plain and simple.

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 11:20 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Red Dawn-Sorry I'm so late. Interesting information you have provided here. My name is on a home but why would that matter? If my child for heavens sake were to get sick, I would gladly give up my home if that was needed. I will give my two legs, whatever it would take but I don't think that's right. Yes, I would gladly pay and feel rest assured having health insurance. $250 a year how is that even possible? Now, back to the home. Why an dhow would they take it? I would go bankrupt? Bankrupt people I know are better off then they have been, they kept their homes, their cars and so on. I wouldn't do that unless it was my on,y option after substantial medical debt unforeseen of course, the worse kind. Who is going to take the deductions for children? For some people, that might be good. Although I feel if you earn it by supporting your children you should get that back. I have one child for a reason, medically. Also I wouldn't have another child till I knew we could provide like we are for our first. How do old folks not pay federal tax? Interesting about Obama. I get it the mess he inherited was big, but his headway hasn't impressed. I guess I felt let down because if his talks were big and the walk failed my expectations. Expectations can be a motivator and they can be a downfall.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:51 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Mikey, the word is Romney.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 9:32 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    sorry Bob, I thought you could read english- I twice posted links to the "data" more commonly known as a "Gallup poll."

    funny thing Bob is that you were just touting polls when they showed Obie ahead, but now that his lead has vanished, so has your support for the polls. But hey, we don't need a silly old expensive election- we can just ask Nate Silver who's going to win and be done with it.

    6 minutes worth of news could change everything in this election, nevermind 6 weeks. One word: Carter

     
  • Area Man posted at 3:09 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    Remember "keep your government hands off my Social Security"?...there must be a pocket of loony leaking into the water supply somewhere. Last night, J.Stewart replayed a clip of Craig T. Nelson claiming "I was on food stamps and welfare... nobody ever gave me a hand-out!" With our population, comedy writing has to be the easiest job on Earth.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 3:07 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    I’m not sure what data you’re looking at Mikey, but since your interested in the most accurate predictors of victory, how about the guy who hit the nail on the head, predicting the number of electoral votes Obama would get in 2008. That man is Nate Silver and his website is http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ He show Obama winning 305 electoral votes. That doesn’t sound neck and neck to me.

     
  • Area Man posted at 3:03 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    Yes, he was eligible to become president, as was the current occupant of that office, having been born in a State. E am thoroughly sick of people throwing it out there as a barb: it impresses no one but the truly feeble minded at this point.

     
  • Timmie posted at 12:02 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Dover: You noticed. Thanks

    Love ya...mean it

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 11:57 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 824

    Timmie,

    3 successive posts at 10:31am, 10:31am, 10:32am. Do you think this improves your chances of getting noticed by the other kids?

     
  • Timmie posted at 11:32 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Mikefrom and all other rightwingers herein

    The day after the election, you will be found curled in a fetal position, spittle running down your chin,. By evening you will be put you on suicide watch and relieved of all sharps, your belt and your shoe laces.

    Mitt will never be heard from again

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:59 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    yea, with all the horrible things about Mitt and all the cool stuff about Obama, there should be a huge ratings gap, but look- they're neck and neck 47/47. Imagine that! http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:31 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    own a home? subsidized with tax deductions
    buy gas? Oil companies get a few tax breaks and subsidies
    buy food? farmers get handouts all the time

    Get off the teat man!!! do it by yourself!!! make your own gas, grown your own food, and pay your own damn rent you lazy freeloader!!

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:31 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    According to the IRS, 76 million of the wage earners who did not pay taxes were people whose income was so low they had no income tax liability. Compare that to the IRS figure id some 4000 persons with incomes in excess of $1 million who paid ZERO income tax. Yes there are freeloaders and moochers. There always will be. And it appears some of them, about 4,000 are also millionaires.
    How's that for parity??!!

     
  • Timmie posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Mitt said that he does not care about those "47%".

    He has other concerns to worry about. Like the plight of millionaires and billionaires, who only pay 0% to 13% in taxes.

    Last year, Mitt paid a 13% tax rate. That was a real hardship for him. So he does feel the pain of millionaires, he does know what they have to go through.

    To remedy this hardship, Mitt has stated that he wants to eliminate their pain, by allowing them not to pay taxes at all.

    Mitt wants to go to Washington, where he will abolish the Capital Gains Tax. From now on, those who have the most, will only be require to pay the least.

    Mitt feels their pain.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Backlash wants an answer to this question he asks "Possibly one of you great conservative minds will tell me how in the world the Mitt Plan the little we know of it will bring back prosperity?'

    Sure, I will answer this just like his favorite past speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi answered about the Dem government takeover of health care. "we have to pass it to find out what's in it". We have to elect Mitt Romney to find out what's in his plan. If not knowing or reading the health care plan & no bipartisanship was legitimate then, neither is Mitt's lack of specifics a problem today. So, Lash it is about being consistent, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander". Don't demand from one party what you do not demand from the other.

    I am glad to see such a good discussion. I get entertainment value out of seeing the liberal talking points trying to be defended. I am reminded of those dash stick on bobble heads!! All of it preparing for the election night party. [beam]

    I think the house will stay the same and the Senate will be even or go against the Dems. If B.O. is re-elected little will get past his veto pen and the nation will continue on its course to economic collapse. That means if we are to make fast progress in either direction, all three branches of government will have to be in one party's hands.

    Our system is set up to move slow in any change of direction. It takes about 3 elections to get to a large enough majority to move quickly. We had the first change election in 2010 and this year will be the second and 2014 or 2016 will be the third depending on who gets elected president.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:26 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    oops-spoke too soon. Though our valiant leader is out there trying to get his favorability ratings up, they are dropping faster than the value of the U.S. dollar. Gallup has him at 46%- a 6 point drop in less than a week.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 10:15 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Dave/Cop- the theory about Bob being a disinformation agent has been postulated several times past however you are the first to connect him with the Koch brothers. I really wish it were true as it would explain a lot of curious habits; the hound-dog loyalty to his party regardless of how poorly they lead or worse, i.e.
    Mary Jo Kopechne, Bimbo-gate/Monica Lewinski, Fast & Furious, and now the Benghazi attack is turning into Democrat quicksand as it turns out the Obama admin knew about it ahead of time yet provided no security for our consulate against the planned attack that killed four Americans, all the while our "leader" parties with his celebrity friends and makes jokes on Letterman, even finding time to meet with a "pirate" on "Pirate day" but can't seem to find time to meet with Netanyahu while the middle east is on fire. How ANYONE could consider that "leadership" is truly a curiosity, and is not explained by the conventional media brainwashing which is responsible for the vast majority of the warped partisan views exhibited by our resident lefties.

    I honestly can't explain it, but doubt that it has anything to do with the Koch brothers and more to do with a
    "coke brother," the one who admitted to using cocaine ("a little blow") in his autobiography. What was done to us on the 11th was an act of war, and where's Waldo? He's out there trying to get his favorability ratings up- you don't excpect him to actually be in the Whitehouse doing his job, do you? This is an ELECTION!

     
  • Timmie posted at 9:53 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Romney campaign headquarters, aka Fox News, has been trying to spin the tape of him telling a private audience of people who can afford $50,000 for a meal how he really feels about half of the voters. Anyone who has seen the tape knows that there is no taking out of context or spinning involved, it's sheer unvarnished contempt by a sneering plutocrat. Changing the subject isn't going to help either, this could very well be the death knell of the Romney campaign. Already the RNC is starting to divert advertising funds from the presidential race into congressional and senatorial races, and the candidates are trying to distance themselves from him lest he drag them down with him.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 9:51 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Now boys, don’t fight over me, there’s plenty to go around. Just think how much fun we’re going to have over the next four years debating what Mitt Romney might have done had he been able to defeat a failed president like Barack Obama.

    But don’t worry, Mitt is not going to take a loss lying down. I’m sure he will just pick himself up, dust himself off and start all over again. In 2008 he failed to get the nomination, in 2012 it appears he will not be elected president. Following that progression, 2016 looks like the year. Kind of like the inventor who produced a series of unacceptable soft drinks from 1-Up to 6-Up, but never gave Up.

     
  • Law Abiding Citizen posted at 9:42 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Law Abiding Citizen Posts: 65

    There are 5 candidates on the ballot we don't have to accept either Obama or Romney.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 9:20 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    Flesh out that synopsis Dave. I think you just may be on to something. There's no question that Bobby's Bologna doesn't help the liberal cause especially with people of some sophistication. It's no wonder that so few voters here in Bonner County buy into that left wing BS. It's not just Bobby but Area Man ranting and raving his brand of socialist garbage and Timmie reviling little elderly ladies against all decency. They turn people off.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 8:30 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 593

    Interesting article by Victor Hanson , NRO, this morning concerning the chaotic handling of Middle East turmoil by this administration. I will paste the summation for the readers with some sound answers to lead us into the future by Romney...certainly Obama wouldn't listen to anyone. Makes sense to me

    What can we do?

    Start developing vast new oil and gas finds on public lands here at home. Get our financial house in order. Quietly cut back aid to hostile Middle East governments. Put travel off-limits. Restrict visas and call home ambassadors — at least until Arab governments control their own street mobs.

    Develop a consistent policy on the so-called Arab Spring that applies the same criticism of illiberal dictators to the theocrats who depose them. Keep quiet and keep our military strong. Don’t apologize for a few Americans who have a right to be crude. Instead, condemn those pre-modern zealots who would murder anyone of whom they don’t approve.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 7:55 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 824

    My latest theory on Bob W: He’s a double agent getting paid by the Koch brothers.

    These exchanges between Bob and the conservatives here follow a pattern. Bob trots out a liberal talking point which provokes a response from a conservative, followed by a lame response from Bob, followed by another response from a conservative, at which time Bob obfuscates, pivots, exits, and surfaces at another thread with a new liberal talking point.

    You have to ask yourself who is benefiting from these exchanges, when it appears that all Bob is doing is giving the conservatives here a chance to sharpen their debating skills. I can remember a TV show from some 20 odd years ago called Crossfire, which pitted a conservative Pat Buchanan against liberal Michael Kinsley. Buchanan systematically destroyed the hapless, effeminate Kinsley (who looked like he wet his pants every time Buchanan raised his voice) night after night, to the point that I began wondering if Kinsley was a right-wing plant, put there solely to make the right look good. Could the same thing be going on with Bob and his piñata act? Is he being paid by the Koch brothers to make the left look like idiots? Why else would he show up day after day to get whipped like a rented mule if he weren’t getting compensated for it? Just saying…

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:43 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Say, Bruce, did you see the Tim Pawlenty poll this morning?

     
  • backlash posted at 7:31 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Possibly one of you great conservative minds will tell me how in the world the Mitt Plan the little we know of it will bring back prosperity?
    Four to Five Trillion added to the Nation Debt from tax breaks for the 1%
    Three to Five Trillion Added to the National Debt by increasing defense spending
    Status of Forces to keep 20,000 troops in Iraq ( for ever)
    He will not say which loopholes or tax laws he will close? You can bet if he closes any tax laws that it will be things like homeowner deductions, earned income credit or anything that helps the blood sucking parasites on the bottom who work for a living making and building things. (that would be you in his mind)

    Mike: Integrity does not matter? He came out on top and screwed creditors and the Federal Government
    (that would be us) out of millions showing how ruthless he was and that is a plus for you.

     
  • Timmie posted at 7:00 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    A lack of integrity and a dash of incompetency added to what looks like a character flaw: this just does not add up to the presidency of the United States of America.

    Sorry Mitt, now go away.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 6:58 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    Word has it that Obamas are picking out a fabulous house in Hawaii for their departure from OUR White House, their internal polling has shown they are moving soon, all these polls are political and by no means mean he will win...Carter was ahead by 8 in mid October against Reagan...aloha Barak, nice try but you didn't listen to the people....you listened to Valerie Jarrett and Dave Axlerod...he better go back and get another degree at Harvard...or the Univ of Hawaii...

     
  • Old Cop posted at 6:11 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    A snake oil salesman tried to sell me a bottle of Reddawn a few days ago. I took one sniff of it but it offended my nostrils so bad I said "Thanks but No Thanks. Don't try to sell me moonshine, I only drink good booze." This wasn't even good moonshine. Yesterday I picked up a copy of the Huffington Post and found a recipe for making Reddawn. I beseech you, don't drink that stuff. The ingredients are all potent poisons which will reduce your capacity to think for yourself. I daresay if you imbibed too much of this decoction you might start raving and ranting about some subject which you know nothing about. Area Man comes to mind as a good example. He should never drink a bottle of Reddawn and sit down in front of a keyboard. This stuff does affect people differently. Good Old 'Lash just gets more morose with each Reddawn and tonic that his liver can't assimilate. It's got Laurie worried that Priest River is going to run out of water and her blobs will all die. I'm doing my good deed for 2012 by making this Public Service Announcement. Don't distill the Huff-Post ingredients and try and drink the results. Heaven forbid because you might end up like Timmie and that's an awful thing to contemplate

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 11:25 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Lash says "God help us if [Romney] gets elected."

    Do you mean the God who was booed at the DNC? Well, we need his help RIGHT NOW with all the "hope & change" that Obama has created which has pushed our economy into a pit. If the Rolling Stone magazine is the only proof you have the Romney is a "crook" you are running on fumes, pal. I read the article and all it proves is that Romney knows how to swim with sharks and come out on top; he can play hard ball with the big boys- a talent we need right now, as our current "leader" has never so much as run a lemonaide stand and is obviously in over his head.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:19 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Really, Sage, lottery winners, self-made millionaires? Inheritances? You get a little loonier every day. You really don’t have a clue, do you? I used to give you credit for having a little sense, but it appears that it’s very little.

    As for Obama’s student loans, I only know about them because he has noted on more than one occasion that he didn’t get them paid off until the 90s. You need to pay more attention.

    The next four years are going to be torture for you, probably worse than water boarding. And after that? I don’t even want you to think about that.

     
  • backlash posted at 8:47 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    backlash Posts: 1509

    Never has it ever been more clear that Romney could care less about working class people and looks
    at them as lazy losers who feel entitled to have food, shelter and the completely insane idea "the ability
    to see a doctor when they are sick". What parasites: "long live Ayn Rand!"

    The story on how Mitt rode in and saved Bain Capital in the 90's where Mitt, because of a clause inserted in some legal documents was able to payout all the liquid assets (money) to his upper management and himself sticking FDIC with millions of unpaid liabilities as well as his creditors. Typical Mitt staying within the law but guilty of robbery of creditors and us (the tax payers) and walking away with big money . This information was obtained with the Freedom Of Information Act and is in an article on Rolling Stone Magazine ( where no conservative will go as truth about Mitt being a great business man is baloney.) The man is a crook and God help us if h e gets elected.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829?page=2

    Mitt believes in redistribution on wealth himself, which has been happening since Reaganomics, globalization, military industrial complex, deregulation, corporate rule and whom ever statistics you use the wealth has
    "NOT BEEN REALLOCATED DOWN" but rather up moving to the top and the poor and middle class are getting reamed to the point where they have no buying power to buy products which is affecting business.

    How will you turn the economy around?
    Mitt answer: We will tell you later.
    Reading between the lines it looks like:
    War with Iran!
    Status of Forces agreement to keep American troops in Iraq for ever!
    4-5 trillion tax breaks for the top added to the deficit!
    Turn Medicare into a voucher system.
    Social Security if they can figure out how to give that to Wall Street who just robbed us of trillions would be
    good thing.
    Privatize everything and let corporations own our schools roads everything.
    Cut money for education, that is for people who have money, we don't need Pell Grants and so on.
    Increase the military budget by trillions and put it on the deficit.

    "WHAT YOU TALKIN' ABOUT WILLIS!" (WILLARD) The man is an arrogant shape shifting sociopath!
    If you think he cares about you, you are nuts! (or very very wealthy) Like a hundred million wealthy.

     
  • reddawn posted at 8:45 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    @ Luv, just a coulple of things, you will lose your childs check you get every year! And all these old folks here dont pay tax to our Fed gov. Property yes, food and ect.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 8:44 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    Bob asks: "Who paid for Romney’s Harvard education?' You seem to be assuming he didn't take out student loans, win a scholarship, a loan from his parents, or have stocks that saw him through.

    Bob says: "I believe Obama paid for his education through student loans." As usual, you believe what you don't know, but feel the same ignorance of Romney’s background is reason to suspect he rode a golden carriage all the way. He was a brilliant student who graduated in the top 5% of his class. Obama had all of his academic records sealed so all we know of HIS achievements in college is that he smoked pot, snorted coke, and hung out with marxist professors.

    Bob says: "There are no self-made millionaires." Yes there are-all the time. Lottery winners. Inheritances. Divorce settlements. There are all kinds of self made millionaires unless you are playing another childish game of semantics, in which case there is no self made anything, including inventions and other intellectual property. Even morons know that a self made millionaire is one who uses one’s own money and brains to produce millions, or as defined in the dictionary, “owing wealth or important position to one's efforts, not to advantages given by birth, education etc.”
    Romney gave away his inheritance, and his story is an open book for anyone who wants to learn how hard he worked his way up the rungs. The fact that Romney is a legitimate winner of the American dream seems to drive liberals crazy... along with the fact that regardless of who wins the WH, the GOP will take the senate and the house.

     
  • reddawn posted at 5:49 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    @ Luv, I dont know your personal life, If you have your name on a home and you get sick or your child , I pray you or your child does not, you would lose your home, and if you dont , we as Americans will pay your bill as of right now. So if you could buy medical insurance for both of you for under 250.00 would you? If you understood the Affortable health care act, you would. We pay for the folks right now who do not so our insurance is high, however if everyone could afford it , our insurance would go down.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 5:39 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Lloyd, I will concede that Romney wins Idaho. But that and $25,000 will buy him a new car elevator for his Southern California casa. I hope he enjoys spending time there because he’s going to have plenty on his hands. But, maybe he’ll be thinking about another run for president as a way to keep busy.

     
  • reddawn posted at 5:33 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    @ Luv, President Obama has and is bringing jobs home. I have had many friends that worked for companies that went over seas,. Bain was a big one, Romneys corp. Bush gave tax cuts to the Rich saying it would trickle down, NOT! They run out soon, and we want them to run out. The Rich have not hired more, and use excuses that it is Obama, Costco, one of the largest employers spoke at the Dems Convention, I dont know if you heard that and why they are for Obama. Lets just look here in Bonner County, we had a chance to get Buck Knifes, we lost them, why is that. They are in Post Falls, they hired close to 300 people. Why is it that in Bonner County we have less jobs, CDA has a great Collage, lots of jobs, and Idaho has a lot of vets, alot of seniors, more children who need help, sure you can get a job cleaning rooms, or Wall Mart, Home Depot, in fact they have some openings. Still you will need assistent with an hour wage of $9 to 10 an hour. I had an employee that her husband died suddenly, it took her eight months to come back to work, we paided her like she was still there. We had a kid who walked to work, he had to many DUIs, had a bad mouth, we took him and never gave up, We sent him to rehab, twice, a smart kid with alot of problems, we saw this kid could make it, we believed in him, it took time, he had demons from his past. Four years of fighting for this kid. He did it, now he is making over !00,000 a year. And yes, I will vote for Obama, he walked into a mess so big, much bigger than anyone knew.Romney will not give up his tax returns, that is a red flag for me as well. I save companies, not close them, or ship them overseas. And I feel that you as a Women will get paid the same wage as a Man for the same job. And I do! Not what Romney thinks, not what the Republicans think. and Luv our Government has no right to force a women who is raped by a father or anyone for that manner be forced to carry a baby..... Or should I as a Women pay more for health insurance .However, I do not like WAR. Romney wants to make us bigger, and he has already got China,Russia, Britian, and many other countries angrey, and our VETS. We need peace, and a Man who doesnt use words that can hurt the US. Watch the Romney Video, hear and read what he says, and knowing it is possible he has not paid any tax as well, it is sitting in the Caymon Islands.

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 4:58 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Pay cash when we need health care which isn't very often thank goodness. I have one kid. I do realize Obama did some good things as well. He would have to have done some good things to be in the position he is in. I give him credit for those however, they aren't enough and they don't do much for the economy's bottom line. If the economy was better I could be affording this insurance that we should have. We have never had it but made it like my parents did and like their parents did when raising children. I will look into what you suggest. Politicians have used video tactics like Romney is doing for as long I've seen political videos. I know I'm out of my league butim not trying to influence anyone, it's seems so simple. You didn't say of you rehire the person replying for the job? That's what we would be doing which doesn't make common sense to me.

     
  • Tom Kelly posted at 4:55 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Tom Kelly Posts: 379

    More Tidbits from Timmie: Tom: Here's some of it for you.
    From 2006 - 2008, the Senate was controlled by Democrats.

    Yes Timmie you are correct, but how can this represent an obstructionist rep congress when Obama wasn't yet the President.

     
  • Tom Kelly posted at 4:52 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Tom Kelly Posts: 379

    "John McCain was not born in the USA, he was born in Panama in the Canal Zone."
    Areaman, he was born to a father who was serving in the military which makes him an American citizen and according to the Naturalization Act of 1790 that makes him a natural born US citizen.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 4:24 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    @Bobbychan: I thought you might be interested........
    After lunch I was reading one of Timmie's pathetic attempts to denigrate Republicans and I thought that guy is a ninnyhammer par excellence. It came to me out of the blue. I haven't used that word in 50 odd years. I was almost certain I knew the definition of ninnyhammer but a tiny doubt was there 'cause it's been so long. I checked Dictionary.com and my memory was correct. It describes Timmie to a Tee and that's a fact.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 4:03 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    The ninnyhammers are going wild today. Something must have stirred them up. It's a foregone conclusion that Timmie has resorted to using his potty mouth again (see his 6:58 post this morning). Even reddawn is wound up tight while the Wyndi One is spinning like a top. I guess they just can't handle truth when Lloyd throws it in their face. Throw some more at them Lloyd

     
  • L Wallace posted at 3:53 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    A bit of news regarding my letter above. I received a call for permission to let my letter or parts of my letter be used in a mailer or an ad. at the national level or in swing states. I am having quite a bit of positive feedback. Sure, I gave my permission.

    Using my letter as a poll, I have a few observations.

    There are 61 comments about evenly split between pro-Obama and anti-Obama or pro-Romney.

    There are 5 hard core posters who support Obama or Democrats and

    11 hard core posters who support Romney-Ryan or Republicans.

    Rs win in total numbers of for sure voters on this blog thread.

    Two posters were not strongly supporting either candidate. These are the undecided.

    The poster's % for Obama = 5 of 18 total posters = 27.8.%

    The poster's % for Romney-Ryan = 11 of 18 total posters = 61.1%

    The seemingly undecided % = 2 of 18 or 11.1%

    "This election is over", Obama might as well start packing. [beam]

    The conservatives have the lead 61% to 28% over the liberal redistribute your money folks on this web site thread.

    Thanks all for your input.

     
  • Area Man posted at 3:45 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    John McCain was not born in the USA, he was born in Panama in the Canal Zone.

     
  • Area Man posted at 3:44 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    GM was lent money, since repaid, to keep 150000 people from losing their jobs over night and over a million from losing theirs over a single month. They were not bankrupt at the time: the banks were suddenly not providing the operating instruments that every major company uses to pay its bills with.

     
  • Tom Kelly posted at 3:39 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Tom Kelly Posts: 379

    reddawn, what are the other two requirements for President? What does any of this have to do with the topic at hand?

     
  • Tom Kelly posted at 3:37 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Tom Kelly Posts: 379

    Timmie,
    It seems math is just as big a problem for you as reading comprehension. Here is the Senate breakdown by party for the last two Senates.

    111th 2009–2011 100 57 41 2 2 435 256 178 — 1
    112th 2011–2013 100 51 47 2 — 435 193 242 — 1


    Read more: Composition of Congress by Party 1855–2013 — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html#ixzz26xPr4MVo

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 3:32 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Dawg, the real meat is the headline issue of this letter—Never has choice been more clear. Now I know Lloyd wrote this several days before it was published and had no way of knowing how prescient he is. But the clear display of Romney's real mindset, that we have all seen on the recently disclosed video, make the choice even clearer.

    If you want a president who could care less about the Greatest Generation folks on social security, the working poor and those to whom life has dealt some cruel blows, nearly half the country, Romney is your man.

    Lloyd, you really know how to pick em.

     
  • Area Man posted at 3:25 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    The oath of office of congressmen and senators does not say "vote against the other party on every issue". They are sworn to represent ALL the people in their districts and to serve the People of the United States. They are not a parliament, this is not Greece or Italy where every disagreement or deadlock leads to new elections and political chaos.

    Obama doesnt spend a dime that the Congress does not allocate or issue bonds that they dont authorize. All that it needs to obstruct the President's agenda is 41 senators willing to put their party above their country. We are the "hostages" that Mitch McConnell is so proud of taking.

     
  • reddawn posted at 3:03 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    @Tom, I would think you of all people would know you have to be a child born in the USA. Luv, maybe you should look up why many bills that came into Congress did not pass. And then take the time to see what they were and who voted for and against. As well as looking at what happened in 2008. When you have people who say NO to every good bill that is the best for this country it might surprize you. You have the ability to check this out for yourself. Then maybe look at all the good things he did get done and understand how this will help you. You said once you couldnt afford health care for you kids under you boyfriends policy. So how are you getting health care for your kids?The next thing Romney will do is show little clips about the Dems, just like they have in the Tea Party sites. Short hits, not complete. I watched all of Romneys video, have you?

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:52 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Tom: Here's some of it for you.
    From 2006 - 2008, the Senate was controlled by Democrats.

    That majority consisted of:
    48 Democrats.
    48 Republicans.
    1 Independent
    And Joe Lieberman. (Independent, he voted for McCain)

    And at the end of that line was George Bush and his veto pen.

    Now Tom...tell us all how many votes one need to halt a filibuster.

    Think Tom....is it possible to do that with the numbers listed here.

    C'mon Tom you can do it.

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:49 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Tom asks: "How long did this President have a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate?"

    He never did in the house Tom..I suggest you look it up. Neither did he in the senate..look that up as well. You really should get some facts behind ya before you spout.

    Bush owns it all until the mess he created is cleaned up, and that will take a while. Meanwhile he's to blame. The american public knows that. Check the polls on that Tom.

    Your song sucks.

     
  • Timmie posted at 2:45 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "with inflation and high interest rates as the inevitable endgame"

    Righties have been talking about inflation and high interest rates for a while now. Years in fact.
    Where are they.? Have you seen interest rates lately.?

    You're strangling a dead chicken.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 2:13 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 593

    Timmie and Bobie, you seem to latch onto the storied cow and chicken and avoid discussing the real meat here. Man up and talk about the Obama tax on the poor implemented by the government printing money with inflation and high interest rates as the inevitable endgame. Nice going Mr Johnson , the liberals all ignored your point , I took notice. Maybe they can plant a secret camera in Mitts bathroom and save the nation .

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 2:12 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Laurie, Punahou, like many private high schools, offers scholarships. He attended there from the 5th grade on. Sounds pretty home grown to me. But Obama did his undergrad work at Occidental and Columbia, where he got his Bachelors degree. His Harvard experience was in the Law School. So he already had an established post-secondary academic record along with the LSATs as credentials. (By the way, his father attended Harvard grad school on a scholarship).

    But we all know that from the time his phony birth certificate and newspaper notices were created in 1961, to his Harvard education, he was marked to be President of the United States and, thus, was given “special” treatment.

    By the way Bruce, the first sentence of my last post should have said—I CAN’T control the oil companies.

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 1:27 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Red Dawn- if we don't know the please share it? I am always interested in learning.
    Although the R's may have fought Obama on somethings that is their job. They are not to blame. And whats it matter anyway. Obama had his chance to prove he could do the job. Once President, he is President for all as I said before, his job isn't to just please fellow Democtats to ensure their vote again. When you fail to do your job, chances are you won't keep the job. If your team isn't successful other teams will soon have to do your job since you aren't, and that is what happened.There has been plenty of successful Presidents who work with everyone (R's and D's.) No one is to blame except Obama and his team, he does have unlimited resources. Are you saying he doesn't have adequate staff? Tell me what Obama doesnt have? Support? Just think of all that money the government spent at GM for their cars. One expample of why GM was bailed out and given money to stay afloat.

     
  • Tom Kelly posted at 1:27 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Tom Kelly Posts: 379

    Please reddawn educate us, what exactly is the law to become President?

     
  • reddawn posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    It shows here how many Americans do not know the law , to become a President.

     
  • Tom Kelly posted at 12:56 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Tom Kelly Posts: 379

    A response to some of Timmie’s Tidbits. (The first term that came to mind was a tad crude.)
    Timmie says: “Borrowing money seems to be a trend or tendency of the republicans. Why just recently, during the Bush administration, they borrowed so they could give tax cuts to the very wealthy. They borrowed to fight two wars.”
    At what point does President Obama have to own anything? He has been in office almost four years and our departure from Iraq was from the Bush administrations timeline. We seem more embroiled in confusion regarding what we are doing in Afghanistan with every passing day. How hard is it to leave a country if that is truly your intention? Look at the logistics of D-Day and tell me with a straight face we need four years to withdraw from stupid wars.

    Timmie says: “Grab your crying towel and get over it and find something else to blame.”
    The Republicans are playing the blame game? You are either kidding or you are as stupid as you claim the American people couldn’t be.

    Timmie says: “Ummm....the obstructionist do nothing republicans in the house just might be one reason along with the filibustering republicans in the senate.”
    How long did this President have a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate? His failures are not due to Republican obstructionism alone.

    Since many here enjoy poetry here’s a little song to sing.
    To the old children's song Jesus Loves Me.

    Obama loves me this I know,
    For Jay Carney tells me so.
    Welfare ones to him belong.
    They are weak but he is strong.
    Obama loves me.
    Obama loves me.
    Obama loves me.
    The media tells me so.

    Obam loves me he who's snide.
    All the borders open wide.
    He'll let us in and give us hope.
    We just have to vote and vote.
    Obama loves me.
    Obama loves me.
    Obama loves me.
    Jay Carney tells me so.

    For servicemen he claims to pray .
    Even those who say they're gay.
    He promotes Islamic pride.
    While they burn and kill outside.

    Obama loves me.

     
  • Laurie Wadkins posted at 12:46 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Laurie Wadkins Posts: 638

    Bob the Wise,
    ---- You don't just "get" into Harvard by attending public schools boastng great grades, you get there by attending expensive private schools. Such was the case with Obama, who attended Punahou on Ohau from the 5th grade thru 12.
    We are not privy as to where he initially got his kindergarten thru grades 4 education. Suffice it to say that he applied for grants and scholarships as a "foreign student" to attend Harvard and the rest of his education.
    ----- This was not a "home grown American" who came from modest roots. SOMEONE paid a $1900 a year tuition, (now 19.000), to send this child to a better school.
    Bob,your posturing of Obama as a "home boy american, he made it by his own american roots" is a crock!
    [smile] Just sayen...

     
  • Timmie posted at 12:25 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "His dad told him that when he loaned his neighbor a 100 US dollars awhile ago he could have bought a cow with it, today it will buy a chicken."

    Show ya just how much the price of chickens has gone up in Romania !!!

     
  • Timmie posted at 12:24 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    luv says: " He has unlimited resources to acoomplish tasks so there is no valid reason."

    Ummm....the obstructionist do nothing republicans in the house just might be one reason along with the filibustering republicans in the senate.

    Two good reasons.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 12:19 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Bruce, I can control the oil companies. But I can watch the oil market. You should know better than anyone how much time it takes for declines in crude oil prices to reach the pump.

    As for Romania, I don't believe a word of it. I doubt you could have bought a quality cow for $100 since the Iron Curtain fell and doubt very much that you can't buy quite a few chicks for $100. Less than $3 will buy day old chicks here and less than $12 will buy you a laying hen. If you have to make stuff up to sell your point, it's not worth selling--kind of like Bush and Romney.

     
  • Area Man posted at 11:58 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    Without the recession effects, entitlements are flat. Vote buying is from the Citizen's United fallout.
    More deportations in 3.5 years of Obama than 8 years of GWB, including the Dream Act exemptions
    Abortion at taxpayer expense is a lie under federal law. It is a constitutional right at individual expense.
    Not a single healthcare choice has been taken away... except the choice for ins. companies to pocket more than 15% of premiums. Did agents force you or anyone to change doctors recently?
    The Homeland Security monster was created during one of GWB's breathless panic attacks and the Republicans have made it clear that they dont want it dismantled.
    Making policy is the primary role of government. EPA, DOE have a role in deciding what the people's money should be invested in and how public lands should be used.
    Bailouts of unions? Try again. Bailouts of campaign donors? If you mean TARP, that is a GWB program that OHB has collected the interest and principal on. If you mean the auto bailouts, those companies supported McCain (2nd place)
    Law enforcement? How about excusing systematic murder of prisoners, torture and other violations of the Geneva Convention with GWB's executive orders. I think the Republicans have shown a lack of restraint in that area that may qualify them as sociopaths across the board.

    Keep those slow pitches coming, though. Every one of these absurd cut-and-paste slogans is a chance to show what the actual record is, versus right-wing magical thinking.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 11:46 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    Bob , just talked to one of my truckers sitting the last three days at a truck stop in Tracy, ca., he's from Romania originally. He just visited his dad there this summer. His dad told him that when he loaned his neighbor a 100 US dollars awhile ago he could have bought a cow with it, today it will buy a chicken. The fuel price while he has sat in Cal. since monday has gone up 40 cents. Stick your 8 bucks in your pipe and smoke it, it might be a different high than what you have been using.

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 11:01 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    Red Dawn- your post surprised me this morning. Some people may not want to vote for Obama but when he is president he is president of everyone, even who didn't vote for him. I dont think a fool is a good way to describe amyone, people can act foolishly often but being called a fool seems adolescent. We end up supporting whomever gets elected. You may be utterly stunned when the empty chair is filled with someone who gets a chance like Obama did. Obama failed to do his job. I keep reading these posts and one thing i havent heard that is important to me is about a President who can successfully manange a team. After all, this mess is partially due to OBAMA's failure to manage his team. He has unlimited resources to acoomplish tasks so there is no valid reason. It's not all one man ever. The President must adequately direct and manage the team and we would have seen a lot more accomplished. I think Romney has shown his strength. It would be one thing if Obama was admitting to his mistakes and learning from them. I fear he is not aware of them, therefore we can expect and have seen repeated mistakes. His ego is certainky not lacking. IMO. He has a distractions as in raising two young girls that constantly weigh on my mind as well. Would it matter who was running with D? Would you vote for them either way? I never make my choice on voting based solely on D or R. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. At different times this country will need different ideals and management. A lot of time when so many are in fear of change it is for the best by people are always going to be blinded by the "change" in itself. Change is what we need. Obama failed to do a lot, to direct his team. Do you hire someone who had 4 years to get your company running better? You seem intelligent enough that the answer would be no.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:57 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Bruce, it’s now closer to $8. At this rate oil will be free before election day. That won't help Romney much.

    I’m glad you liked Bush. Someone should.

    Steve, the last time O’Reilly cleaned anyone’s clock was when he demanded that the Nassau County Police Department investigate the cop that was seeing his wife. They said they would do it if Billo would clean their clock. Oh, yeah, then there was the $10 million he showered on Andrea Mackris when he couldn’t get her to shower with him.

     
  • reddawn posted at 10:26 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    Lets see, I am a billionare, and I am the Victim of all the 47% that wants me to pay more than 13.9 % on my taxes and keep all my Billions out of the United States and keep it secret. So us Billionares are the real victims here. We get to go to Harvard on Daddy and Mommy, and those who got loans to go to Harvard due to great grades just are loosers, oh and when my Dad died Mom used food stamps to get us by. I am greatful, she worked hard for little money, now I am a Lawyer, now I take care of Mom. But without the compassion of America, when we needed help the most Americans were there.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 10:01 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    Ok reddawn, you have sucessfully communicated your anger. Just answer me one question, how can we pay for all the stuff you advocate in these programs. If we had the money I would be more than happy to support the status quo. We don't, at least Romney and especially Ryan have offered plans to reform these programs, Obama wants to win the election first then tell voters how serious the situation has become. I'll take the guys telling the truth.

     
  • Timmie posted at 9:56 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Bruce...you do know that when you copy and paste something that you're supposed to give credit to the (right wing) site you got it from.

    What you posted...right wing BS

     
  • Timmie posted at 9:54 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Part of the reason so many Americans don’t pay federal income taxes is that Republicans have passed a series of very large tax cuts that wiped out the income-tax liability for many Americans. That’s why, when you look at graphs of the percent of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, you see huge jumps after Ronald Reagan’s 1986 tax reform and George W. Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. So whenever you hear that half of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes, remember: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush helped build that.

     
  • reddawn posted at 9:21 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    reddawn Posts: 1709

    All you victims in Idaho , Romney could care less about you! It just happens to be that Nine out of the Ten most government programs are in Republican States. Idaho being one of the highest. He thinks middle income America makes $250,000 a year. So Idaho is a big entilement state. President Obama will win, so complain all you want, do your best to sell your lies, it is not working, and every day that goes by you will look even more like fools without a brain!

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 9:01 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    Vote for the Democrats if you want . . .

    Unbridled entitlement spending (aka vote buying) and crushing debt
    Open borders and voting rights for all current non-citizens
    Abortion on demand, any time, any place at taxpayer expense
    Your healthcare choices mandated by Federal Government bureaucrats
    Department of Homeland Security as a national police force and domestic spy agency
    Domestic energy policy dictated by the EPA and green energy lobbyists
    Bailouts for big campaign donors and unions
    Enforcement of laws only they agree with

     
  • Timmie posted at 8:49 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    dawg: Yep it's all the medias fault. They have collectively banded together and brainwashed the American public into making wrong choices. Yep, seems the right wing believes that the American public is so stupid that they will let the media make all their decisions for them

    Seems the right wing has run out of excuses for poor leadership and poor economic policies, so they blame "the media".

    Grab your crying towel and get over it and find something else to blame.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 8:47 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Yes, I also think Dover Dave has a Good 6:24 post.

    Luv83864 also has a good post that is easily understood. We are interviewing the current CEO-president to see if he keeps his job. During this "job interview" he doesn't want to talk about his CEO record but wants to criticize another CEO candidate & scare the shareholders of what to expect with a new CEO. This tactic of the current CEO-president not accepting responsibility for HIS actions and HIS success or failure should tell us interviewers something about his character.

    Imagine a person wanting a particular job and during his interview all he can talk about is how it would be better to hire him than a replacement candidate and proceed to list the faults of the other job candidate instead of his resume' and past accomplishments. In this current selection process we already know the success or failure of the current employee. When I was in business this guy would have a pretty short interview in my place of business.

    For the rest of my post, please re-read dawgshepherd's 7:34 am Wed post below. It is a clear statement of the importance of this election and what needs to be changed. Especially, I liked the statement about the media bias. Somehow we are going to have to ban opinion from the news information providers. Would truth in advertising laws cover media bias or could they be made inclusive through legislation?

     
  • Steve Hatcher posted at 8:36 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 2598

    Well, there goes old "any-port-in-a-storm Bob again. One wonders why the left-wing press is so preoccupied with Romney's statement from May (which seems to be close to the mark in any case), while Obama runs off to Vegas during the Middle East crises, appears on the Pimp-with-a-Limp and Letterman with his big ugly grin. He seems coolly disengaged. However, the lefty press as they did against Hillary and McCain in 2008 are in the tank for Obama.

    BTW, O'Reilly will clean Stewart's clock, as he usually does.

    Don’t you think if there were any real evidence for those issues Mitt Romney would be running away with the election and Barack Obama would be the one floundering? Any port in a storm, I guess.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 8:34 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    Bob, 6 bucks ...wow. The price of oil is a mirror as to what the dollar is really worth. I think your new name should be WatzatBushenhauzen, you seem consumed by his memory, I too thought him a wonderful man and history will too.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 8:18 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Bruce, I guess that worthless dollar is the reason oil has gone down over $6 since last Friday. But I understand that the real reason is the virtual assurance that Mitt Romney will not be President of the United States. I wonder what he promised the oil companies behind closed doors.

    Speaking of debate aids, do you think Romney will be using one of those wires like Bush used for the first debate in 2004? He’ll need all the help he can get.

    OldMan, before Bush, even the US considered water boarding as torture. Now even your rantings aren't classified as cruelty. But I still see them as tortuous.

    Dave, how come you didn’t put that last sentence in quotes.

    Dawg, it’s all about the economy and making it work better. Without that engine driving our country, we have no chance of paying down the debt.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 8:13 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 824

    If I were Romney I’d retire to my coastal villa and transfer my investments to Costa Rica or Switzerland before little Barry confiscates them through higher taxes or dilutes the value of them with more quantitative easing.” Why subject yourself and your family to all these attacks from small, spiteful, covetous people with small minds when you don’t have to?

    There’s a good chance he won’t succeed since you can’t run a government like a business; you need cooperation from the other side of the aisle. But the big issue, the one that overshadows everything else, is the looming national debt and I can’t think of a man more eminently qualified to deal with it than Romney. He’s made a living at turning around failing businesses, so at least he understands what needs to be done. On the other hand we have a community organizer who understands bullhorns and very little else.

    It seems like an easy choice. Those of you consumed with compassion for the coalition of the screwed should set it aside long enough to solve the debt problem, because none of your “compassion” will be possible if the government is bankrupt. Then you can resume your ceaseless bleating about the “war on women” and other nonsense, which you most assuredly will.

     
  • dawgshepherd posted at 7:34 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 593

    Its all about the debt and how to solve it through tax reform and a fair bi-partisan remedy to save entitlement programs from extinction. Its all about leadership, something sorely lacking the last 4 years. Its about strength and firm policy in world affairs. Its about what America means to free people and those seeking freedom around the world. We've let alot of people down the last 4 years abroad. But the main failure has been the media and their selective bias that has deprived their readers and watchers of the truth, the once shining example of free speech has succombed to the left's ideology machine.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 7:23 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 824

    Bob W:

    "Dave, you’re right about who’s pulling the wagon, but you’re wrong about who’s riding. Those folks that Romney was talking to in that very illuminating video are the riders. That’s how trickle up works. Who do you know who makes a decent living and only pays 13% income tax?"

    Bob you're living in a bizarro world. You're hopeless.

    Time to wake up and smell the horse stuff.

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 7:14 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    Dover Dave, excellent post 6:24, What is really amazing is the new round of QE further lowering the value of the dollar. This is Tax, and really hurts the poor. If this practice isn't stopped the resultant higher interest rates and inflation will cripple the sputtering economy. Prices in the stores will sky-rocket. Who will get hurt the most, the poor. When Obama says he wants to help the middle class and the poor and yet continues these monetary policy infusions, he lies (cause for dismissal) or he doesn't understand (highly unlikely and still cause for dismissal). I wonder if the president will have teleprompters during the debates.

     
  • Timmie posted at 6:58 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Bruce says: "from the Obama face lickers"

    How about the Romney ass kissers Bruce. We seem to hear from them as well.

     
  • Luv83864 posted at 11:24 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Luv83864 Posts: 702

    It's simple someone doesn't perform for you when hired and...you get a second chance to hire them again or to hire someone else and give them a try (probation they call it now, 30 days, 60 days, 4 years.) Both lie sometimes, both educated, but most important your only choice. Obviously some of your other employees will like the person they have worked aside, some won't. However it's your choice to make... you dont have 25 resumes this time, you have two. One person is true, tried and tested. Seems to me like an easy decision. Based on nothing else at all except the prior canidate didnt perform. I voted for Obama once, i wont vote for him again. Someone couldnt do as much as Obama didn't do in the next four years. Its nearly impossible. Eat my words? I might. As for right now Obama has said not one thing to help sway my mind. Not saying I agree with RR all the way on everything but when do two people ever totally agree? That would be boring and rarely happens. Growth likely wouldn't happen when everyone agrees on something. We can stop picking apart the candidates or we can start looking at what there goals are. Compare apples to apples all day, each one will always be slightly defective but one will be better. We won't know till we try another apple. This apple has had his chance.

     
  • wilson posted at 11:23 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    wilson Posts: 1071

    That was a test, Bob - a blockhead will always be a blockhead- do not let facts cloud your vision _

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:08 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Did you notice the date on that Youtube piece, Wilson. It was May 18, 2012. I guess the reason it didn’t get much attention was because of all of the 32nd anniversary activities for the Mt. St. Helen’s eruption.

    Don’t you think if there were any real evidence for those issues Mitt Romney would be running away with the election and Barack Obama would be the one floundering? Any port in a storm, I guess.

     
  • Area Man posted at 8:49 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Area Man Posts: 294

    If you are collecting or plan to collect the social security you paid all your working life, Willard thinks you are a moocher. If your disabled child gets social security or spouse gets disability, they are worthless parasites...If you are one of the 4 million wage earners trying to get by or raise a family on or bellow minimum wage, you are a drag on our country that needs to be taught self reliance by a guy who was launched into life with only few million bucks to his name. If you are a disabled vet, the R/R budget i s designed to convince you to pick you up by the same bootstraps that got blown off in the Bush wars. Face it: if you are poor, you will pay 12.9% of your income in taxes of all kinds, while the very rich pay 7.9%: Willard knows you are just wasting the other 87.1% and keeping it out of the pockets of his pals who are just dying to create jobs....in Bangladesh. This was all obvious months ago to anyone paying attention...I guess people just want to believe that a rich, tall, good looking white man who tithes MUST be a moral, virtuous man worthy of the Presidency. What was that parable about the camel, again?

     
  • wilson posted at 8:47 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    wilson Posts: 1071

    Here is one for you, Wyndi - www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:07 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Dave, you’re right about who’s pulling the wagon, but you’re wrong about who’s riding. Those folks that Romney was talking to in that very illuminating video are the riders. That’s how trickle up works. Who do you know who makes a decent living and only pays 13% income tax?

    Time to wake up and smell the horse stuff.

     
  • Dover Dave posted at 6:24 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Dover Dave Posts: 824

    When you boil it all down half of us are pulling the wagon, half are riding it. The ones riding it will vote for Obama, the ones pulling it will vote for Romney. What the stupid half - the ones riding the wagon - fails to realize is that if you keep punishing the pullers and rewarding the riders more and more will stop pulling and start riding. The wagon will eventually come to a stop of course, and all you dolts who've been riding the wagon and have no marketable skills will suffer the most.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 5:57 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Agreed Laurie "running a corporation is nothing like running a country." Running a country is like running about 17 corporations because that is at least how many legal corporations the U.S. governmet is made up of. Google "federal government incorporation" and read to learn that our government is actually lots of corporations.

    Thanks Bruce Johnson for the compliment. I do think that Obama has an agenda and it is to bring America down from our economic king of the hill position. I agree that Obama has no agenda to actually fix the economy because the Keneysian spending model that he was taught did not work, will not work and literally cannot work. There is nothing left for O. to do but ride it out and hope that the Ds are in power when we crash economically. Oh wait, maybe that is his agenda. I completely agree with you about the news media, I just don't know what to do about it. Fox helps but they are far outnumbered.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 5:26 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Bruce, that’s Obama voters and post election happy campers, to you. If you want to learn a little about media you should watch Jon Stewart. By the way, on Oct 6 Stewart and Bill O’Reilly are going to have a debate on line. It will be streamed on the Internet for a fee, most of which goes to charity. Here’s another left/right encounter the outcome of which is easy to predict. O’Reilly will be 5’6” when it’s over.

    Dawn, the SS account is still in the black, and will be for many years, even if we do nothing. That wasn’t ridicule, it was debating advice. I too appreciate history, frequently using it in these discussions.

    But it’s important to have the facts. Just sayin.

     
  • NewDawn posted at 4:12 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    Timmie, the parrot. Or would you rather be called Bob Jr. Parrot?

    Bob, was the "borrowed" money ever returned to the Soc.Sec. Trust
    Fund since it supposedly was only designated to help with the financing of
    the Vietnam War, NASA etc., or did it remain in the "unified budget"? I may
    not be as "informed" as you, my friend, but I DO take an interest in happenings
    from the past. I easily could do without any ridicule though.

    Just saying

     
  • Bruce Johnson posted at 3:43 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bruce Johnson Posts: 725

    Lloyd , good letter. Nothing but assinine arguments from the Obama face lickers. They think the election is in the bag, I don't think so. The guy is a phony with no agenda but to get re-elected, he'll say anything, he'll promise anything, he has proven to be a failure and put America on course to ruin if not stopped. The polls like the media are skewed towards the democrats. Ben Stein , who lives here part time, wrote yesterday that we cannot fight the MSM that is so biased. Even sadder than an Obama victory has to be the degeneration of the national news reporting, Its treasonous.

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Bob W: I contend that NewDawn does not look uninformed.

    I contend that she is uninformed.

     
  • Timmie posted at 3:12 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Borrowing money seems to be a trend or tendency of the republicans. Why just recently, during the Bush administration, they borrowed so they could give tax cuts to the very wealthy. They borrowed to fight two wars. They borrowed to fund a prescription plan. They borrowed to expand the size of gov't .

    Some people want to bring up borrowing during the 60's , but they forget to mention that eventually, the budget went back to being balanced and that debt was paid.

    They forget how the republicans financed their "plans" during their most recent Republican administration and started the ball rolling on a recession.

    They forget a lot, don't they. ?

     
  • Laurie Wadkins posted at 3:10 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Laurie Wadkins Posts: 638

    Running a corporation is nothing like running a country. I have exactly 0% confidence in Romney's ability in handling foreign affairs. I have exactly 0% confidence in his ability to end partisanship in congress, hense continued gridlock.
    What I do know is that Romney has experience in going to his personal bank, his "foreign affairs" experience limited to banks where he puts his money, and his bedside manner with other countries won't win him any "tip" on the bedstand after the fact.
    [sad]

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 2:27 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Sarge, I believe Obama paid for his education through student loans. You’ll have to ask Harvard how he got it. Since he was president of the Law Review, I can only assume that he merited entry to Harvard. I see that Chief Justice Roberts, along with associate justices Kagen, Scalia and Breyer served on the Law Review as editors, but none as president of the publication.

    But, maybe he was just the beneficiary of affirmative action.

    Dawn, there was no pilfering of the Social Security Fund. All that happened in 1968 was that SS tax revenue was treated as part of a unified budget in order to cover up the size of the deficit caused by the Vietnam War. Nothing else changed. It was simply an accounting change. But, the two largest increases in our national debt took place during the Reagan and Bush II administrations. So, there’s plenty of blame to go around, most of it belonging to the Rs.

    My suggestion to you, use facts that support your argument. Otherwise, you look uninformed.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 2:24 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Bob, google "federal government incorporation" and you will find tha the government is made up of some 17 individual corporations.

    Timmie, I must have pressed the wrong button for you. 5 or 14 posts? [beam]

    Thanks New Dawn, I try to deal in truth but with politics truth can be according to one's reality or point of reference. My LTE was an attempt to be a news reporter whose job was to boil out all the hot air from a convention that I was to cover.

     
  • L Wallace posted at 2:05 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    L Wallace Posts: 1368

    Let us compare whether America is like a corporation or not.

    Quote from the Encarta Dictionary
    1. “group regarded as individual by law, -- a company recognized by law as a single body with its own powers and liabilities, separate from those of the individual members. Corporations perform many of the functions of private business, GOVERNMENTS, educational bodies, and the professions.”

    2. “local governing authority, -- The governing authority of an incorporated municipality such as a city or town.”

    3. “group of people ACTING AS A SINGLE ENTITY”

    Surely no one is going to argue that America is not a group of people acting as a single entity as in a town, city, or nation? Cities and towns actually incorporate, for example Sandpoint is an incorporated town but Laclede is an unincorporated area.

    Corporations have members or stock holders. America has citizen (members) who are stock holders in all public lands, forests, lakes, streams & all public facilities and all infrastructure that their taxed dollars are spent on. It is not stock we can sell but it is group ownership.

    Corporations have stock holder elections to elect other (citizen) members to a governing board which hires the CEO. America has stock holder citizens who elect other Americans to governing boards (local & state representatives).

    In Nov. we are going to give the Electoral College a recommendation popular vote for president but the governing board (Electoral College) votes for the CEO (president) candidate of their choice -- actually hiring or electing the president.

    Corporations have limited liability; America’s government has limited liability, ever try to sue the federal government?

    As in the dictionary definition above, the government has separate powers (war) and liabilities (public debt) from those of the individual members.

    We could continue but for this post this is enough material to chew on. [smile]

     
  • NewDawn posted at 1:23 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    Borrowing money seems to be a trend or tendency of the Democrats. They started as early
    as 1968 when Lyndon Johnson pilfered from the Soc.Security Fund and thus sent it into oblivion.
    I hasten to add that he had some help from Jack Kennedy who also "borrowed" and used for
    NASA. And the "borrowing" goes on and on and on......... Is it any wonder that we "old folks" have
    become the "victims" after being robbed blind? Had the "Bigshots" left our "investment" alone,
    interest would have "snow-balled" and nobody would refer to us as "takers or users" because
    our "investment" would ENTITLE us to our money! Since there is nothing to borrow from SocSec
    any longer, they borrow else where.................punishing everybody into oblivion - again.

    Can't win.

     
  • opns_sergeant posted at 1:12 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    opns_sergeant Posts: 297

    Good questions Bob. By the way, who paid for Barry's education and just how did he get into schools like Harvard, his school records are all sealed.

     
  • Timmie posted at 12:44 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    You can now count on at least a couple of apologies a week from the S.S. Romney, which is quickly taking on water.

    Commenting on what he said about the 47% of the country he called moochers, and unworthy of his attention:

    "It wasn't elegantly stated."

    Understatement for sure.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 12:16 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Mikey, you know better than that. There are no self-made millionaires. Who paid for Romney’s Harvard education? Who paid his tuition at Stanford and BYU? Not a bad start for a “self-made man”. Is it possible that he was made more attractive as an employee of a consulting firm because his father was a member of the Nixon cabinet in 1970 when he went to work for the Boston Consulting Group. Probably wasn’t even a consideration.

    I agree that the choice is easy—a guy who knows what he wants to do vs a guy without a clue.

    I wonder which foot Mitt is going to taste today.

     
  • Timmie posted at 12:10 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "a stellar record of success of turning losing economic situations around."

    a stellar record of success of turning losing economic situations around by borrowing millions from the taxpayer and throwing money at problems to solve them.

    There, fixed it for ya.

    By the way, your marxist/muslim comment shows you have zero credibility.

     
  • mike from sagle posted at 11:24 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    mike from sagle Posts: 2474

    let's see, on one side we have an unabashed marxist and muslim apologist who has been a one man wrecking machine with an abysmal record of failure, and on the other side we have a self made millionaire who has a stellar record of success of turning losing economic situations around. Hmmm, that's a real hard choice.
    The extreme difficulty of this choice must explain all those 'undecided' voters out there.

     
  • Timmie posted at 11:23 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    " I would firmly maintain that the public owns the corporations."

    They may own the stock, or some of it, but it's the inbred boards of directors who operate the corporations in a manner that only they want to. Stock holder votes are a joke and laughed at by the boards. Very few people control corporate America.

     
  • Timmie posted at 11:13 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    "Bob, if "the man who knows what needs to be done to help the country" did such a
    disastrous job of it - should we give him another 4 years? "


    Yes but this time lets get rid of the republicans in the house whose total goal was not helping America, but to make sure, by harming America, this president would be a one term president. That was their stated goal from the beginning. They are a disgrace to their elected positions. The don't create or solve problems, they obstruct.

     
  • Timmie posted at 11:08 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Timmie Posts: 771

    Republican partisans will do well not to try and justify Romney's comments, or try to defend them in any way. It simply won't wash. More damaging is the ease by which he made them. They seemed to come from the gut. I've never heard Romney speak with so much conviction. He is totally wrong. If he appeared to be disconnected from ordinary Americans before, his words just confirmed for many his absolute lack of common sense - and people sense - and any notion of him being a caring and upright presidential candidate truly concerned for the average American worker, the elderly, and for those in our society needing a hand up.

     
  • Old Cop posted at 10:58 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    For once I'm mostly in agreement with the Wyndi One:
    Romney knows what needs to be done and the Anointed one has not a clue. The US is not a corporation. Bobby is right. His mistake is saying that America is owned by corporations. I would firmly maintain that the public owns the corporations. Lloyd is smarter than both of us Bobby. Try washing the wax out of your ears and listen to him. He speaketh a great truth and that's something you have great trouble doing.

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:56 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Dawn, just imagine how much better things would be if the Rs had been more interested in helping than they were in trying to make Obama a one-term president.

    It appears that Obama was much more successful in pursuit of his goals than were the Rs.

     
  • LawrenceFury posted at 10:48 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    LawrenceFury Posts: 714

    Ah yes, the cold calculating business mentality. No regard for the human condition, just the bottom line which means shipping jobs to other countries, paying low wages all so the price of the stock is high for the shareholders. The president is more than a CEO or CFO. We're already under their thumb, if Romney's crowd gets in we'll be under something else.

     
  • NewDawn posted at 10:47 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    NewDawn Posts: 936

    Bob, if "the man who knows what needs to be done to help the country" did such a
    disastrous job of it - should we give him another 4 years? You've got to be kidding!
    No need to further elaborate - performance speaks for itself!

    GREAT letter, Lloyd. No exaggerations stated - just the facts! I love it!

    [thumbup]

     
  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:11 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9189

    Lloyd, you’re right, the choice couldn’t be clearer. It’s between a man who knows what needs to be done to help the country and one who really has no ideas, no agenda and no chance.

    Oh, by the way, last I looked, America was not a corporation, it’s just owned by them.