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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:00 am

If you are curious about the future of our country; if you believe that stories about the Great Depression are boring; if the stuff about the “Greatest Generation” is nauseous; please accept my apologies on behalf of us who believe they are not just the stuff of legends but the core of our culture.

On Aug. 11, the National Broadcasting System before capping off the 2012 Olympics presented an hour-long documentary on Great Britain and “Their Finest Hour.” Rather than being just another summary of World War II, it vividly describes the courage and determination of the British people and finally the Americans to conquer an ideology completely foreign to our Christian principles.

The scenes can never adequately describe the horror, the pain and losses those involved suffered to achieve a victory over an alien concept. Those were your ancestors and mine who to responded in a display of conviction and force never before known to man.

The history lesson, so precisely illustrated, points out the consequences of society being manipulated by those who principles are essentially foreign to the background we accept.

The history lesson clearly indicates the importance of inspired and inspiring leadership. Churchill was not only the right man at the right time he spoke the language of the people he was honor bound to save through a victory.. He catered to all his people and could easily see the importance of his role to the American people.

There were skeptics then as there are now. Isolationists turned a blind eye and were out spoken. But that the president of the United States thought Churchill’s bust in the Oval Office was inappropriate is a bit late in the game. It illustrates perfectly the great misunderstanding of America so easily found in both the liberal left and in non-English speaking parts of the world.

Today we are being manipulated by cultures who do not begin to appreciate the role we have played in advancing civilization. They have no regard for the principles we cherish and defend. Our society is not based on the suppression of your religious belief. Our society is not based on denying you the opportunity to succeed by destroying your will. Our society is rooted in the importance of every individual never better illustrated than in the Declaration of Independence … a document written in English

That document might be translatable but its meaning can only be found and understood in the minds of those who understand the pain and suffering endured to create and maintain it. The words to our national anthem are meaningless to those whose ideologies we are being force fed on occasion.

An interesting aspect to the documentary was that both President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill were out spoken in their Christianity. Imagine them singing” Onward Christian Soldiers” together on the deck of a warship off the coast of Newfoundland.

Now you can deride that level of faith until hell freezes over, but it was their steadfastness in their principles that enabled us to be victorious. Should all this seem strange and out of place these days that is truly sad. The very foundations of our country lie not in diversity but in allegiance to the same tenets our forebearers brought to our shores.

Don’t doubt for a minute that the ways of life we so take for granted are not under assault. In the name of lord knows what, we are being prodded, persuaded, brain washed and tricked into believing we have been wrong all these centuries. The great light we supposedly need is being provided by those who have not the slightest idea of right from wrong nor the courage to stand for anything except an indefensible blind belief.

The “hope and change” slogan of 2008 belonged to those who felt we needed to change and hoped we would all agree ... change to what? The hope was that we were all too self-absorbed to consider the possibilities. The hope was that we were all too dense to have either never understood our heritage or to have taken it for granted.

A Denver newspaper at one time had in its masthead “He who lives in hope lives in despair.” It simply says that hope “isn’t going to get ’er done.”

It is past time to recognize the realities of hope and change. The British had no time to be hoping They found out early on that diplomatic charm and conversation were meaningless. They became resolute in the defense of their principles. We need to do likewise and for the same reasons.



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  • Old Cop posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    My momma told me before I was out of diapers. It's still true to this day.

    "There are none so blind as those that will not see"

    You don't really think Bobby is going to look do you?

  • bigdan posted at 6:04 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Bob, here are a few examples. Let me know how many more you need as I just looked in my file and I am loaded to the gills with articles like this.

  • bigdan posted at 5:50 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Bob, they are reported everyday in local news reports and news papers. Would you like me to send you several dozen just from the last month or so?

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 11:43 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 2685

    Fox did report the doctored tape shown on NBC and MSNBC to further their anti-gun agenda.

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:23 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9288

    But Dan, did you find 2.5 million of them?

    I too can find them, but not outside the right-wing, gun toten, NRA loven websites. I wonder, are they real or are they just like Reagan's Welfare Madam?

  • bigdan posted at 7:25 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Well Bob, maybe you explain how I can do a simple google search and find hundreds of DGU stories that have occurred over the last few months but you and the MSM can't seem to find or report a single one?

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 11:30 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9288

    There it is, media bias again. Gee, and I though a good story was a good story. How about Fox, do they report them?

    Dan, Japan allows ownership of shotguns and air rifles. There are less than a million guns in private hands. in 2008 they had 11 gun homicides and less than 75 during any year in the past 20. Clearly, fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. Funny how that works.

    Se you Friday.

  • bigdan posted at 12:30 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Bob, I have a great number of news reports of DGU's. They don't seem to make the MSM (surprise) but they certainly do exist. You just have to decide you WANT to find them.

    I didn't say Kleck's extrapolated estimates were the FBI's numbers. The FBI claims they only report DGU's where a weapon is discharged and recognizes a number of crimes do not include the victim having to fire a shot but merely brandishing a weapon in self defense.

    The 6,000 plus number is the number of reported homicides by all guns. 30,000 are total gun deaths with 19,000 attributed to suicide. Back out the gang on gang gun deaths from the 6,000 and your argument starts to fly right out the window.

    I ended up driving to town yesterday for a Doctors appointment because my wife got my truck stuck in the driveway, so I will have no problem making it to town on my own.

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 9:20 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 2685

    Bob, Mark Shields said that from the time of the Revolutionary War, 653 thousand men have died in our wars. He then said that 1.2 million have been killed by guns since the 1968. I think in his exuberance to trash guns he got his numbers mixed up.

  • leechstomper posted at 8:40 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    leechstomper Posts: 1466

    Viper: to quote a supreme court judge when talking about defining pornography, he couldn't - but he would know when he saw it. Same with tyranny.

  • Viper posted at 8:03 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    Viper Posts: 654

    And just who decides when the U.S. government becomes tyrannical? We the people need a balance and the second ammendent of the U.S. Constitutuion provides for that possible day.

  • Old Cop posted at 5:25 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    Bobby can be quite amusing sometimes especially when he wants to argue both ways. Remember how many times we have heard him state that conservatives try to oversimplify the economy that we should trust the brilliant minds of the Keynes and the Krugmans?
    When it comes down to arguing gun control Bobby states "Clearly more guns, more deaths; less guns, less deaths. Pretty simple"
    The implication being that our Founding Fathers were just a bunch of blind rednecks that didn't see such a simple solution.
    I think there is a simple way to solve our economic woes. I would draw up a budget and live within it
    I think there is a simple way to solve our gun woes. How about a mandatory death sentence for individuals using a gun to commit most felonies. One appeal allowed.
    As for the crazies, identify the mentally ill as best we can and tattoo a small but distinctive mark on their trigger finger. Anybody wanting to buy a gun must display a clean finger. Anybody with that mark carrying a gun to face a mandatory death sentence. I'm tired of it always being the good guys dying while a murderer can go to prison where he can get a sex change operation paid for by the public in Massachusetts. It seems the crazy people are taking over the world.

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 4:57 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    Dan, I looked a Kleck's Wikipedia page. His numbers didn't come from the FBI, they came from a study that he did in 1994 where he surveyed 5,000 families and extrapolated the date to come up with the 2.5 million. His methodology was criticized by some of his peers.

    On this video ( he criticized census data on incidents where guns were used to deter a crime (DGU-defensive gun use) but used similar interview techniques to gather his data. Really!

    I find it odd that the media is filled with reports of gun crimes but seldom any reports of DGUs. Maybe it's just media bias.

    As for the 6,000, that's not my number. The only number is cited was Frum's.

    For Friday, I have no intention of matching you stat for stat. As far as I'm concerned the issue is, we have more guns in the US than any other country and more gun deaths. There is a clear connection. Most countries with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths. Of course, I'm taking population size into consideration. Clearly more guns, more deaths; less guns, less deaths. Pretty simple.

  • bigdan posted at 1:10 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    And Bob, I'm not going to give away all my info before the radio show this Friday LOL!

  • bigdan posted at 1:04 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Bob, you can also spend a little over 6 minutes and watch the video on this sight.

  • bigdan posted at 1:01 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Frum may be referencing numbers put out by the Brady Center, and anti gun group. Even their numbers are 108,000 defensive uses a year. So Bob, you were an accountant, 108,000 vs 6,000? Which would you choose? I know which the 108,000 people would choose.

  • bigdan posted at 12:58 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    bigdan Posts: 2785

    Bob, CNN and David Frum?

    The original numbers come from Gary Kleck who is a criminologist and a Professor of Criminology at Florida State University.

    Mr Kleck has done a number of studies on crime and guns. Here is a link to his Wiki page that includes info on his studies.

    Would you like the address for the FBI as well?

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:00 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Bob Wynhausen Posts: 9288

    And, Steve, what were those statistics. Let us all have the opportunity to judge their accuracy.

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 9:37 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Steve Hatcher Posts: 2685

    Bob, I will always be a thoughtful conservative.

    I heard Mark Shields, the lefty journalist use faulty statistics the other day in his cause to take guns from the folks. Sometimes, if not always, Liberals tend to fall over their emotions rather than use a bit of thoughtfulness.

  • Old Cop posted at 9:02 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    I wouldn't assume for a moment that David knows half as much about guns or gun violence as bigdan. But let's say 100,000 is correct. Dan said "people have used firearms to protect themselves with a high percentage never having to fire a shot. So 2.5 million vs what 6,000 with a great number of those deaths being gang on gang shootings.....I will gladly take those odds"
    Let's take David Frums estimate and say "people have used firearms to protect themselves with a high percentage never having to fire a shot. So 100,000 vs what 6,000 with etc etc etc"
    I would think that would still be enough to make a gun carrying Christian out of a Furious Nitwit. Your attempt at logic appears to be nothing but lamentable pettifogging.

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:19 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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    OldMan, I guess I would describe Frum as an endangered species--a thoughtful conservative.

    There is a wide gap between Frum's 100K and Dan's 2.5 million. One of them is far from the truth. I'm just guessing, but I suspect Dan my be using quite a bit of lipstick.

  • Old Cop posted at 5:34 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Old Cop Posts: 3259

    I don't think David Frum has gone off the deep end yet but he has been working back to where the pool is getting deeper. He moves in circles that are nearly solidly liberal and maybe that's having an effect on him. I would not describe David as a strong conservative because he obviously is moderate in most of his views. I suspect he knows next to nothing about guns and doubt that he has even fired one. So his practical experience is zero. Thus he is speaking from purely an academic knowledge which has been buttressed by conduction when shaking hands with the afflicted. Perhaps a degree of osmosis may be involved in just by association. Your selection of somebody like him as your expert is to be expected.

  • Viper posted at 9:54 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Viper Posts: 654

    Guns are for self defense and to limit a persons right to self defense is moronic. Assult style weapons are sold in the USA but not assult weapons unless a class 3 license is obtained. Doctors kill more people in the USA than guns kill people by a rate of 9000 to 1. By the way the most polite place to be is at a gun show. Everyone is polite and courteous to the extreme and that is because everyone is armed and equal.

    The current government administration in Wash D.C. is indeed an evil breed of corrupt politicans and getting worse by the day. It is all about control of the American citizen and as much confisication of wealth as possible.

  • Viper posted at 9:35 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Viper Posts: 654

    The benefit of gun ownership is the RIGHT to protect oneself. That of an elderly person or a physically inferior person equalling the odds in a fight for life confrantation. The opportunity to save one's life or the life of another person. Obozo Bob needs to get a life.

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:47 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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    Dan, why not citation for that stat?

    I've got one, from a conservative commentator, that says you're data vastly overstates the benefit of gun ownership.

  • leechstomper posted at 2:11 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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    It seems that the main arguement about the 2nd amendment is that, when it was written, the main fire arm was a musket. Yeah, so? It was also the government's main weapon. Now that the government has tanks, stingers, cobras, surveilance satellites and nerve gas, what is wrong with a citizen having a self loading weapon that just happens to have a plastic stock?

    The only problem here is that the lenient ones refuse to face the societal problems that years of their laissez faire attitudes towards social responsibility and morality has caused and are too cowardly to address.

    The problem wasn't that Hannibal had elephants. The problem was that Rome was rotten to the core.

  • Todd Allen posted at 12:34 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Todd Allen Posts: 210

    "Now you can deride that level of faith until hell freezes over, but it was their steadfastness in their principles that enabled us to be victorious." What a fantastic line Paul. True belief in ones principles is what has made our country! And SS I still would like a response from your response about cowards on Mr Bunty's article. I left you plenty of info so we can have a PLAY date.[beam] Please go a head and schedule a time, I promise I will not you down.

  • dawgshepherd posted at 12:11 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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    Bob, just like most of the liberal based fantasies, they sound great but in reality they just don't pencil. Wouldn't it be just great for everyone to just turn all their guns (except for a .30-.30 and those are not legal for anything but hunting) over to the government....well that would solve the crime here...thanks for thinking of it.

  • bigdan posted at 12:10 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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    Bob, according to the FBI approximately 2.5 million people have used firearms to protect themselves with a high percentage never having to fire a shot. So 2.5 million vs what 6,000 with a great number of those deaths being gang on gang shootings.....I will gladly take those odds

    And I think the founders are rolling over in their graves at the mere thought that legislation like Feinstein's could be considered and that the executive branch has created it's own propaganda machine.

    And thinking its "fair to say" is really just dangerously ignorant. So if we only had hunting rifles we would somehow reduce gun crimes? Are you not aware that criminals are getting their hands on fully auto riles? They have been illegal since 1986 however those darned criminals just don't seem to obey un laws.

  • bigdan posted at 12:00 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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    I guess Sugar, if I had a clue what you were rambling about now I would counter. When did I say Jesus was white? Additionally I didn't discount any other religions. Is ou medication off?

    Seriously Shane Mabrey, get some help because you have gone from being misinformed to dangerously confused.

    Oh by the way, instead of Old Cops address, would gladly give you mine. I have no patients for on-line bullies who like to make vailed threats to those who ar my senior.

  • SugarShane posted at 8:19 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    SugarShane Posts: 200

    Funny Dan that you question my reading comprehension yet need me to walk you through a position I already laid out. The depiction of Jesus is that of a WHITE man. Jesus was not white, sorry. By espousing the words of Jesus and discounting every other religion shows preference for the white race, not compassion or brotherly love. I stand by my claims, and challenge you to really think about how many in Bonner County would follow Jesus if his depiction was historically accurate. You know I'm making a very valid point but will attack it simply because it came from me so your being open is a joke. You and most of your ignorant buddies on here are a bunch of close minded buffoons.

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:50 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

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    Tom, we aren't killing thousands of Americans every year with Internet. One of the promises of our founding was the pursuit of happiness. Pretty difficult to do when you've been shot. I suspect the founding fathers would have had second thoughts had they known where fanatical support of the 2nd amendment has taken us.

    Clearly gun ownership isn't an unalienable right endowed by our Creator. So what is it? Does it contribute to the domestic tranquility or promote the general welfare. I think it's fair to say that the country would be much better off if we had no guns other than for hunting.

  • Old Cop posted at 4:51 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

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    Paul spoke a great truth when he said "The very foundations of our country lie not in diversity but in allegiance to the same tenets our forebearers brought to our shores." I've seen a lot of this world, it's the diversity that causes problems. I've never come back home without thanking God that we ain't like them. It's one thing to make a superficial visit to someplace with different values and quite another to become a neighbor to them. For instance I wouldn't be a Happy Camper living near a family that ate dogs or another that forced their women to veil their faces or believed in honor killings. There is too much tolerance being preached by well meaning nitwits. There are so many things where we should not be tolerant. Child molesters are a good example. Most don't even go to prison. We are all too tolerant of tax cheaters , freeloaders, welfare cheats etc

  • Tom Kelly posted at 2:04 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

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    Larry, if you are such a strong supporter of the 1st Amendment, but struggle with the 2nd because technology has outstripped our Founder's understanding I have a question. How does the same logic not apply to the explosion in communications technology? I am sure the Founding Fathers didn't see the internet, multi-media, instant communications as any greater a possibility than automatic weapons. I doubt they would back away from supporting free speech anymore than they would back away from the right to bear arms.

  • bigdan posted at 1:43 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

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    So Larry, you don't go to church because some people like shooting sports? I've heard a number of funny excuses but that one takes the cake. What other sports keep you from going to church, football, soccer, handball?

    I have great faith in our country, I have little faith in our government and what has become the elite ruling class. Don't you ever wonder why the Congress and President seem to be able to make laws and policy that affect us, yet somehow they are exempt from those same laws and policies?

    From the standpoint of faith, I'm not sure we can ascend to peace while in this life for many reasons. But to not recognize the existence of evil and take steps to protect your family and self is just ignorant regardless of your belief. To blindly "wish" the world was a certain way and choose to live unprepared is also irresponsible in my opinion. I don't live by the rule of the gun, I live by faith but am also prepared for what the world may dish out. I hope that evil will never befall me however as we have seen hope isn't really tangible nor is it realistic.

    I agree with Churchill, I don't think we should live in a theocracy. My faith is just that, my faith. As far as the 1st Amendment, I'm all for it. I also understand that even though we have freedom of speech we cannot yell "Fire" in a crowded theater however what our President and Ms. Feinstein want to do to the 2nd Amendment would be the equivalent to cutting off our tongue to keep us from yelling fire.

    And please, I never ignore an argument that I feel deserves a response, I just find most of your writing should be located in the fiction section of the library.

    With regard to cars, its even more of a concern that people are using them in a fashion they were not intended to be used. I do agree however that assault guns were designed to kill as many people as possible that's why they were banned in 1986 I believe. A gun that looks like an assault rifle is in fact not an assault rifle to anyone that has chosen to look up the difference between the two, and obviously you haven't.

    Once again, you have proved Old Cop's 4:56 pm post to be true.

  • LawrenceFury posted at 1:07 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

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    Danny boy, your statement is exactly why I am not a church goer. Self Defense is one thing, but the sport of shooting and getting ready for the evil govt. to take away your rights in this day and age? You have little faith in your country. This is not a philosophy I can to be a part of or to feed with my membership. I thought faith, yours or that of anyone was to aspire to a higher peaceful plain. Not the rule of the gun. And I notice you didn't comment on the 1st and to me the most important amendment nor what Churchill was saying about linking govt. with religion and the centuries of misery it caused Europe. Your kind always ignores the inconvenient arguments they have little or no answer for.

    Oh, and Dawg, I'm tired of the moronic argument your type makes: Cars kill more people than guns, but there's no debate about banning them. CARS WERE INVENTED TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE! And unfortunately humans are fallible and have accidents. Guns were meant to kill and Assault style guns meant to kill as many people in as short amount of time as possible.

  • Old Cop posted at 4:56 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    I've decided ignorance is like the mud pots in Yellowstone. It just keeps bubbling up noxious material endlessly

  • mike from sagle posted at 3:09 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    it's beyond curious that there would be those pondering Jesus' race as being of some importance when it was his teachings which where the gift. Yet little kids seem to want to imitate the fame of JC "confounding the elders in the temple" by showing off how much they think they know about religion etc. which usually boils down to a light read of some Chris Hitchens whle listening to earbud music on the bus.

    Dan- the other word to look for with "infringe" is "tyranny" Have read the tyranny which we are already enduring is much harsher (and more expensive) than that which the founding fathers fled.

  • bigdan posted at 2:23 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    Larry, I'm with Dawg, we have covered this ground already. The guns at the time of the writing were muskets and they were the military assault weapons of the time. When the First Amendment was written they only had screw presses yet the First Amendment still applies to TV and the internet today.

    That argument fails to see the what the Second is about and the fact that the Founding Father didn't list specific weapons and thought that most intelligent folks would comprehend the phase "Shall not infringe". Obviously some folks still just don't get it.

    And with regard to religion and weapons, seriously? If you would like to have a lengthy discussion about Christ and one's ability to protect themselves, I am happy to engage you.

  • dawgshepherd posted at 1:50 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    Lawrence I sure am tired of that last argument, I don't think the founding fathers had any idea the weapons the military or law enforcement would have at their disposal either...The whole idea behind the 2nd Amendment , in my opinion, is to be able to defend against a tyranical government that threatens our freedoms defined in the Constitution..what used to be the Law of the Land.

  • LawrenceFury posted at 12:34 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    I think many of those here should read what I think is the most important amendment, The 1st. Also, when the 2nd was written I doubt that the founding fathers saw what type of weapons would be available to even civilians in the 21st Century.

  • LawrenceFury posted at 12:09 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    Paul, were you in the service? Seen war? No, I wasn't, but Dad did and thought he seldom talked about it, what did occasionally come out I finally saw in the movie: "Saving Private Ryan." While I have no problem what others believe, and it does not affect me, I am amused that many here spouting religion are also the ones spouting their right to bear any type of arms they want, an invention that was solely meant to kill, and the assault style rifles meant to kill as many people in as short a time as possible. Is that what Jesus taught? Don't think so Tim.

    Also Churchill realized as did our founders that linking religion with any official govt. or govt. activity was what was the root cause of most of the wars that plagued Europe for centuries.

  • bigdan posted at 11:55 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    I would be interested in Sugar showing how he believes Christianity is Fascism. I'm always interested in learning new things Sugar, please enlighten us all how you go from Jesus, who proclaimed love for all, to your thoughts that Christianity is Fascism.

    I will wait...........................................................................................

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 10:36 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    Sugar, Jesus is depicted in many ways around the globe. In fact, he was a Semite and that is how most Christians see him despite European paintings. I called a few Christians out of curiosity, asking them how they thought he looked like. Their answers support what I said above.

    If Christians are indeed fascists, then so is Obama who has shared his Christian faith in the past, and who put his hand on two Bibles last Monday when he was sworn in.

  • dawgshepherd posted at 7:27 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605

    Bob, you are a smart guy, so is Krauthammer, a good article below

    I had a liberal friend over the other afternoon. He likes to watch Fox News with me and argue about this and that. Last night he started shouting when I told him I thought the democrats are systematically gathering up what money we have left and dispersing it to others they deem worthy...for votes...and power.

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 7:15 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    Odd, Dawg, that you would quote Nikita Khrushchev considering what happened to him and to the Soviet Union. That's almost as bad as if you had quoted Phil Hart on how to do financial planning or George Bush on how to effectively govern the United States.

  • dawgshepherd posted at 6:55 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    dawgshepherd Posts: 605

    In 1959 Nikita Khrushchev boasted to a US cabinet member “You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”

  • capnbutch posted at 6:19 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    You are understandably the victim of stereotypes.

    Jesus was not white per se. In fact, there is a line in the Bible that mentions curiosity about slaves whose hair was red. The people of the Bible were very rarely Caucasian. The famous Jewish movie, "Exodus" includes a short scene about a blond Jewish teenage girl held in detention.

    Fascism and idolatry are entirely separate issues (but always worth study).

    Do give some thought to population controls of American Indians of the time before the arrival of Europeans. It is also worth wondering about the folks who were here before the people we call Indians arrived.

    Stereotypes are frequently in error.

  • Old Cop posted at 5:25 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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    I can't imagine anyone that wasn't seriously mentally ill that would want SS anywhere near a school child. Read that fustian Post he made @ 10:02 last night. I've asked him several times if he has kept up his child support payments without him saying yes or no, instead he wants my address. I wonder why? I think it's funny that he wants to talk to me when he has my e-mail address. No! Christianity is not Fascism. It's very true SugarShane proves he is daft, a true Bedlamite every time he sits down to a keyboard.

  • SugarShane posted at 10:02 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    @Steve, Christianity is fascism, white Jesus. Ever seen a Jew from the middle east that was white with brown hair? I believe that's idolatry, is it not? How many Christians do you think would be in Bonner County if the depiction of Jesus was historically accurate? I'd wager few if any would accept any of his words and would call him a Muslim or something. How many people of color hold positions of authority? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

  • LakeViewer posted at 4:51 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    Steve, yes I did see that on PBS. The series was very enlightening. My parents came here from Nebraska in those years. They arrived in an old car pulling a little trailer loaded with most all they owned. Most of their immediate family eventually ended up here as well. This indeed must have been a most beautiful place, when I realize the conditions they came from.

    After arriving, they worked hard and had little. But heck, a few years later, they were blessed with my arrival! I am very fortunate they chose North Idaho to be their new home. It definitely is a very special place.

  • bigdan posted at 3:45 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    Lakeviewer, I also agree however I believe that is one of the pieces that some of our more recent generations lack, the desire to take care of themselves. You can look at some folks in parts of our country where jobs have gone elsewhere. Instead of going to where the jobs are, like the farmers from the dust bowl area, the choose to stay and reduce their way of life by living off government handouts. Our government has emasculated whole sections of our countries population with programs that don't have an exit strategy.

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 3:28 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    I agree LakeViewer. I read it years ago. Did you see "Dust Bowl" by Ken Burns. Simply awesome.

  • LakeViewer posted at 3:00 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    I am presently reading a 1939 novel "The Grapes of Wrath". This book is very interesting, given what our country has been enduring the past 5 years. "Okies", driven off their small farms by the great depression, banks and corporate farming, follow hope to the promised land of California. What they experience is a lesson for today. Every young person should read this book. While a work of fiction, it accurately describes what common folk experienced in those hard times driven by hope and faced with reality along their journey.

  • bigdan posted at 2:07 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    I agree with Leech, it's not that the left doesn't know the answers or course of action needed to correct the issues we have in this country but rather that it is diametrically opposed to their ideology.

  • leechstomper posted at 1:25 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    Leave it our resident "defend everything that is wrong with our country" liberals to focus on the passing religious aspects of the letter rather than it's main theme. Why, they even manage to throw racism in the discussion where none exists - a classic ploy of those that don't have the ability to defend their position through logic and facts.

    I get from the letter that to accomplish great deeds, one must get their head out of their butt, roll up their sleeves and get the job done using a good solid work ethic and moral conduct which just happens to coincide with the basic tenents of most major religions. I think that whats galls most of those on the left is that these principles are the antithesis of the direction that they would have the country go.

  • mike from sagle posted at 1:07 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    HWIS- hope is a sentiment which EXISTS in the face of despair-they are mutually inclusive.
    It is not sentiment which is responsible for progress, but imagination. Emotion is simply the field upon which demagogues play.

    “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”---Einstein

    “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”---Einstein

    “Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions.”---Einstein

    “The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination.”---Einstein

  • Steve Hatcher posted at 11:52 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    Sugar, are you saying Christians are Fascists?

  • SugarShane posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    " it vividly describes the courage and determination of the British people and finally the Americans to conquer an ideology completely foreign to our Christian principles"

    Hmmm, interesting revisionist history. I'd say what we did to the Native Americans was no better than Fascism, carried out by those loving Christian souls, but what would Christians know about genocide and preeminence of race? White Jesus anyone?

  • Bob Wynhausen posted at 10:10 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    When I first read this in the River Journal last October I responded with the following.

    It is very difficult for me to understand the ramblings of this column. I’m not sure if Mr. Rechnitzer is suggesting that our current leadership is turning to “an ideology completely foreign to our Christian principles” or that we are so stupid that we can be manipulated by anyone who chooses to do so.

    First, lest anyone misunderstand, the ideology completely foreign to our Christian principles to which the author refers is that of Nazi Germany and Adolph Hitler. As for being manipulated, the author appears to be the victim of that malady.

    The bust of Churchill that sat in the Oval Office on January 19, 2009 was on loan from the British, a grant from Tony Blair to George W. Bush after 9/11. It is protocol for loaned objet d’art, used to decorate the Oval Office, to be removed at the end of any presidency, allowing for redecorating by the incoming president. So, the bust was returned. That is not a decision made by the president. A little research will easily confirm that.

    There is a very similar bust of Churchill located in the WH residence, just outside the Treaty Room. It has been there for many years.

    Here is something enlightening about Churchill’s religious views from his book, “My Early Life”-- “if you tried your best to live an honourable life and did your duty and were faithful to friends and not unkind to the weak and poor, it did not matter much what you believed or disbelieved.” Churchill was raised Anglican and respected religion, but was hardly an outspoken Christian. But he also said this, “Too much religion of any kind was a bad thing”.

    As for Roosevelt, while he was an Episcopalian, he was not much of a churchgoer. Faith and adherence to principles are not the same thing. Nor is hope the same as despair. As a matter of fact, most people consider despair to be the opposite of hope. I’d sure be interested in knowing which Denver newspaper carried that masthead.

  • MichaelN posted at 10:06 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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    Thanks Paul. There is still "hope" for America, but "change" will need to happen in four years. I have to admit that I've lost confidence in America and where we are headed.